Maya Forstater

Mamello Interesting about CDG's funding.

I work a little bit with the aid sector and tbh it does not exactly seem short on lots of highly educated men with saviour complexes, for whom safeguarding is an afterthought at best (c.f. the Oxfam scandal), and who I suspect would be more than happy to sign women's rights away in a blink if it they thought it would make them look woke. So the policy side of the sector is very vulnerable to this ideology, particularly if it has accompanying incentives like funding. I do hope there will come a point where people who work on the ground and understand the disconnect between the ideology and women's lived experiences will push back against it.

RTFT PEOPLE!

This was from MNHQ on this thread.

So long as there is no mention of crowdfunding or encouragement towards the crowdfunding page on this thread, it can stand for now.

This was sent to me from MNHQ when I asked for clarification.

Thanks for the report and for asking the question. We won't allow any links to the crowdfunder or any specific posts asking people to go to it. We will delete any posts breaking TGs in this way. It really would be better if everyone just steered clear of mentioning the crowdfunder at all if we're honest, if you want to preserve the thread.

STOP MENTIONING THE THING THAT SHOULDN'T BE MENTIONED.

Excellent.
Thank you, Justicewomen and Pencils.

This is appalling.

This whole situation, the wider one, shows up that women's rights were allowed by men but can be removed, that we can speak as long as we comply etc

The equality we had in paper was illusory.

As shown by the number of companies removing sex as a protected characteristic from policies and this going broadly unchallenged even though its illegal to do so.

As someone stated in the last thread, the main thing is that this injustice is brought to as much public attention as possible. On a human and compassionate level, I really want you to win this Maya, but on a wider level the most important thing is the fact that, win or lose, this will help the public see what is really at stake, women’s rights and freedom of expression, regarding scientific reality.

Move over on the top of the peak, we need to make more room for the many, many people that will join us.

Non-renewal of a fixed term contract still counts as a dismissal and employers still need to act fairly.

ACAS

If Maya can show that the reason her contract was not renewed was discrimination because of religion/belief then she has a strong case.

The Countess

The Equality Act protects those who are not given a job or have a job offer (including renewal of contract) withdrawn due to a protected characteristic see section 39(1)(c). Also note that employee in Equality Act is defined in broader terms than Employment Rights Act so can include contract workers etc.

Separately in the last deleted thread I mentioned some law. If any one has some specific legal questions (not on the case because I haven't seen the evidence) happy to try to answer

Donated and proud to do so. Delighted to see £21k raised in less than 24 hours - Maya, I'm so sorry about what happened but I admire your determination to use it to set us all free to tell the truth.

The irony of working for a think tank and getting fired for actually thinking.

Support her 100%

I do like the way the DM have shown the offending tweets in full though, including references to Karen White, so readers can see for themselves perfectly sensible and eloquent arguments against self ID.

"I am just worried she will lose on a technicality"

That may be true but the main thing is to generate publicity really.

This will wake a lot of people up. A lot of people who have had no knowledge of the genderist debate will come down on the side of people being able to articulate scientific facts without losing their employment as a result.

I hate the way the DM calls it a 'spat'. It's far important than that.

It's in the Daily Mail now.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6994295/Think-tank-sacks-leading-tax-expert-tweeted-men-change-women.html

I am just worried she will lose on a technicality, like it being renewal of a short term contract rather than sacking from a permanent post. I am hoping someone on here knows their stuff on this and can shed some light.

Walpurgisnight

I also have been thinking this because there is such a disconnect between the TRA view of women and the reality of women's lives in much of the world, which TRAs have shown no signs of being concerned to address. This is because women's biological functions would have to be acknowledged. With regard to funding, despite protesting full transparency, it appears that CGD received over $860k anonymously last year in grants (who does that?) and also substantial funding from Luminate (founded by eBay founder)and Global Affairs Canada amongst others. CGD repeatedly stress the importance of gender in international development but nowhere do they mention sex and it is not mentioned in their diversity policy. It appears that sex as basis for discrimination has been erased as far as CGD are concerned.

Very supportive comments under the Times' article too. I would say that reporting on this case is evidence that the topic is clearly in the public interest - and of interest to the public - which might be relevant in the other employment tribunal case, in which The Times is currently involved.

Comments on the article in The Sunday Times are very encouraging.

Maya best of luck!

I don’t think I have ever felt so generally fearful about any situation before. This feels like something from a totalitarian state, where an ideology based on delusion is allowed to trump objective reality. Where anyone who will not toe the line risks abuse, threats of violence, actual violence, police arrest, and loss of employment. How honestly can the government say that self Id was out for consultation when anything critical can result in such severe consequences. I am truly appalled.

Well done Maya for being brave, for standing up for what you know to be right.

Sorry, I meant to quote this in my post above: She stands by what she says, as do millions of other women.

More likely billions of women, if we include those in other countries (excluding young woke American women). Plus the great majority of men. In fact, the belief in two distinct sexes, and that one cannot change sex, and that feeling like a woman is not enough to make you one, is very likely shared by 99% of the 7.5 billion humans on this earth.

The woke T**W population is a grain of dust next to Everest.

I've been thinking for a long time that development might be the next target for TRAs

Stonewall are already on it.

So according to this think tank you mustn't think too much or think the wrong thoughts. Got it! How progressive.

Good luck with your case Maya.

Tedious, irritating and sexist pressure from TRAs will not stop this conversation.

Nope. Never.

Crowdfunding is mentioned all the time on MN, I have never seen a Jean Hatchet link removed. I understand that the recipient shouldn’t promote or that a thread linking is not allowed, but mere mentioning is completely heavy handed.

This. There was a lot of good discussion on that thread, surely deleting the couple of posts with fundraising links would have been more proportionate?

Since it's been removed, I'll repost:

Thank you so much Maya for your courage. Many of us have experienced the pressure not to discuss the problems with self ID. Preventing professionals from discussing whether practice is in children's best interest is a dangerous situation. There are thousands cheering you on.