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Maya Forstater

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DianeBrewster · 05/05/2019 09:40

MN have deleted the thread started by Maya - who lost her job for speaking up for women- because it talks about her crowdfunding for legal costs

Here is today's times article on the case https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tax-expert-fired-for-saying-trans-women-aren-t-women-tpqgnm9vj?shareToken=3f12f5cae61c02fd41040eb816fd37b4&wgu=2705255426441557045162977940f0d76fa1&wgexpiry=1564821162&utmmsource=planit&utmmedium=affiliate&utmm_content=22278

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resisterpersister · 05/05/2019 19:00

*Obviously here to snipe not smile!

Stupid auto correct!

resisterpersister · 05/05/2019 18:59

greenlloon Hmm

If you read Maya's update you'd know.

Can't be bothered to share it with you myself as you're obviously here to smile and clutch at straws.

she said she shared drafts with colleagues. that is not appropriate in a work place colleagues should be allowed to focus on their work

Seriously?! That's hillarious. You haven't got a clue have you?

FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 18:59

I am so amused that some cod lawyery AWA types have decided to pitch up with a defence. Crack on, chaps. You've been refuted before, you will be again and I have no doubt whatsoever that women who support women are free to do whatever the fuck they want to with their income without reference or approval from you.

FFTFO.

resisterpersister · 05/05/2019 18:56

Maya's update on Medium

Mumsnet get a mention :)

medium.com/@MForstater/we-broke-the-first-target-in-less-than-a-day-f159f6db8dda

greenlloon · 05/05/2019 18:55

why has the target gone from 10,000 to 60,000 surely she was told it would cost 10 thousand for legal representation so made that the target what happens to the excess money.
and i said before in the other thread there is no way she wins the case first her contract was not renewed employers can do that
2nd she said she shared drafts with colleagues. that is not appropriate in a work place colleagues should be allowed to focus on their work and
thirdly It must be a belief and not an opinion or viewpoint based on the present state of information available

resisterpersister · 05/05/2019 18:54

Thank you so much for doing this Maya. I know you important this is.

DpWm · 05/05/2019 18:52

loon
her contract was not renewed not the same
As she was midway through a project 2.5 years in, no valid reason given for non-renewal of contract, it has been established that she was sacked and it is the same thing.

FiredMaya · 05/05/2019 18:43

Thank you everyone for all your support. I have put an update on twitter.

nicenewdusters · 05/05/2019 18:41

I'm appalled that you're going through this Maya, but hugely hopeful that at last some light can be shone on this utter nonsense.

I'm training for a new career and have to literally clamp my mouth shut not to air my views on this subject. I never agree with anything, just maintain a neutral silence. I dislike the person I am whilst I do this, it's at odds with my usual stance. So thank you for speaking up whilst I feel that I can't.

greenlloon · 05/05/2019 18:39

MN have deleted the thread started by Maya - who lost her job her contract was not renewed not the same

resisterpersister · 05/05/2019 18:28

50shadesofgreyrock we're not sharing the link or encouraging anyone to do anything. We're talking about wider issues to do with the thing that can't be named e.g. how it demonstrates the strength of feeling out there.

That's perfectly normal on MN - many comments like this have been allowed to stand. If MN don't like it they'll likely start with deleting offending posts, not pulling the whole thread.

The last one was pulled in its entirety, I expect, because the main focus of the thread was the thing that can't be named. It isn't on this one - this one is about her case and relevant info / thoughts.

Floisme · 05/05/2019 18:26

I know how serious this is, and not only for Maya. But honestly the idea of a think tank - a Think Tank - trying to sack someone for voicing an opinion - and a science based opinion at that, has had me chortling all day. I cannot wait to hear their defence. I wonder if they'll argue 'no debate'.

FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 18:21

Awww, thanks for the kind words, wims. Despite the best efforts of someone annoying, though, I do at least still have a job and no need to go to a tribunal. All strength and success to Maya as she stands up to the totalitarian misogyny that would see us silenced for stating uncontroversial provable facts.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/05/2019 18:10

Sorry you had such a bad day, Floral.

Lamaha · 05/05/2019 18:07

Such an important case. Thank you Maya and unless you get an extremely woke judge the outcome should be obvious. Tttmnbm gives me great joy.

Daughterofmabel · 05/05/2019 18:06

Supported

50shadesofgreyrock · 05/05/2019 18:06

I’m kinda pissed at the women doing the TRAs work for them, though. They don’t even need to bother to complain. You’ll get the thread deleted yourselves ffs.
Anyhoo. I posted on the original thread about twelve hours ago - this case is completely pivotal. I’m sure you would much rather have not been sacked, Maya, but thank you for having the courage to use that horrific experience to legally challenge this belief system. Sending huge strength and support.

BettyFloop · 05/05/2019 18:04

Another one adding thanks and support to Maya Flowers

ImGenderfree · 05/05/2019 18:02

I think this shows just how many pissed off women there are - thank you Maya for fighting this fight on behalf of us. These are my views as well and I should be able to say them without fear.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/05/2019 17:55

Anyone know how long it is likely to be till it gets to court?

GeordieGenes · 05/05/2019 17:55

You are amazing Maya! This case will shed a whole lot of light in this issue, which is exactly what we need.

Thank you Thanks

sackrifice · 05/05/2019 17:53

What a great result, and Maya tweeted my comment and donation support.

Totally behind you, this could be any of us.

RepealTheGRA · 05/05/2019 17:48

Sorry you had a bad day floral Flowers

FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 17:44

After the day at work from hell, this has been a tonic.

welshgendercrit · 05/05/2019 17:42

This is such a hugely important case for women's rights and for freedom of expression. The thing we mustn't mention has already exceeded all expectations. Smile