Maya Forstater

When/where was that taken?

Nice bag!

Jezzer must have read, and noted the responses to, Maya's tribunal. It looks like he's concluded that maybe, just maybe, there must be something in all the kerfuffle about what makes a woman.

The photo is bound to result in some weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth in some quarters, in view of all the TRAs work to take down this factual piece of information.

So brief it fitted in sharpie on their hand..

Bet it makes fit fascinating reading.

If brief.

Would love to hear about Madigan's record in role of Women's Officer. What they've actually achieved, or even just what they've been working on. Bet it makes fit fascinating reading. 🙄

Nearly 50k reasons Madigan can go fuck themselves.

If she was paid by them, had a contract and they had control over her to the extent that they could ask her to edit her social media, she was an employee or a worker.

Madigan reponds to criticisms of misogyny by doubling down with more "f*ck yourself" tweets.

"nevertheless as a result of expressing my belief, in March this year I was told my appointment as a Visiting Fellow at CGD would not be renewed, even though I was named in a successful funding proposal for a two-year research project, building on the work I had been developing over the previous two and a half years working as part of the team at CGD"

Am I right in thinking that Maya isn't an employee and thus has to claim discrimination rather than unfair dismissal? (a bit rusty on this stuff).

Slater and Gordon are good in this area :)

Five.

If Maya wins her case it will mean that every woman in the uk who is asked to share a workplace toilet with a male can object to it, without being sacked. It is hugely significant i agree with you women shouldnt be forced to share toilets with men but how would this case prove it one way or the other? and how can it be all women it wont be women at their employers less than 2 years

Because it really is about a lot more than her and her circumstances, important as they are. It’s about how free people are to express views and state facts theres already precedent beliefs are protected as long as it is a belief and not an opinion or viewpoint based on the present state of information;
the belief is genuinely held;
the belief concerns a “weighty” and substantial aspect of human life and behaviour;
it is “worthy of respect in a democratic society”; and
it is held with “sufficient cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance”.

AngryResister you beat me to it. I'm retired too and willing to challenge organisations in my own name. I used to work in local government, so know what it's like when one feels muzzled.

AngryREsister - oh, please do - and amend and make it yours any way you like.

I was trying to be not too hostile to Labour or Trans people who are not part of this witch hunting.

I would just like the Labour Party to think about these questions in relation to the people who speak for them.

apologies if already linked.
4thWaveNow 2016 article:

Follow the money: Trans billionaire makes new $1 million grant to Chicago pediatric transition clinic
Posted on July 11, 2016

UPDATE 7/13/16: The Tawani Foundation is actually an alternate name for the registered charity “Colonel IL James N Pritzker Charitable Distribution Fund.” See below for details.

How did it happen so fast? That’s what so many of us keep wondering: the complete saturation of the media, government policy, school systems, psychology and medicine with unwavering promotion of the notion that people can change sex—with or without medical transition.

A societal upheaval this big doesn’t happen without a lot of funding, and the money has been flooding into medical clinics, summer camps, and every other conceivable outpost of the transgender child initiative, with a seeming acceleration in the last 2 or 3 years.

One source of gushing cash is the Tawani Foundation via its billionaire CEO and Director, 66-year-old Colonel (ret.) James “Jennifer” Pritzker, one of several family heirs to the Hyatt Hotel fortune, who announced a transgender transition a scant 3 years ago. (continues)

4thwavenow.com/2016/07/11/follow-the-money-trans-billionaire-makes-new-1-million-grant-to-chicago-pediatric-transition-clinic/

see also more recent article which refers to the above:

"The Open Society Foundations & the transgender movement"
Posted on May 25, 2018
by Michael Biggs

Michael Biggs is Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Oxford and Fellow of St Cross College. He researches social movements and collective protest.
(extract)
"The transgender movement has transformed cultural norms and social institutions at breathtaking speed. Most of us, becoming acquainted with the trans issue for the first time, are astonished to discover the extent of the gender revolution. The movement has accomplished in a few years what the movements for women’s and for gay and lesbian rights took many decades to achieve.

Part of the explanation is the amount of money behind transgenderism. The Gender Industrial Complex, as we may call it, has many components. Lucrative sponsorship comes from pharmaceutical companies and medical providers. Charities originally established to fight for homosexual rights (like Human Rights Campaign in the United States and Stonewall in Britain) wield large budgets. Last but not least, three American billionaires have bankrolled the transgender movement on a global scale: Jennifer Pritzker, whose activities were detailed in another blogpost, Jon Stryker, and George Soros." (continues)
4thwavenow.com/2018/05/25/the-open-society-foundations-the-transgender-movement/

Red I don't mind sending it from mine and my real name. Retired so not affected at work, but I am so fed up with this shit not sure I can leave the last sentence as I am no longer feeling so tolerant.

Red I'd enclose a screenshot of that tweet, as it will likely be removed. And denied.

Oh lovely work, detectives!

Now we're sucking diesel. I had to go to bed but hoped the names might trigger some connections for those more familiar with the key players. I remember reading a while back about a billionaire MtF who might be funding activism and at the time I wondered how else that sort of power might embed itself. I was thinking more of pressure on educational establishments (& associated impact on research) but policy would surely be in there too.

Also, Madigan is an embarrassment and a complete liability. Behaviour is astonishing, and not in the good way.

If her former employer offer her her job back, she can still continue her claim for belief discrimination and ask for an injury to feelings payment; she would just drop the loss of earnings bit (as long as they paid her back what she had lost in earnings until reinstated). She can also ask to be reinstated, possibly, but it's harder when it was a non-renewed contract. Her claim will presumably be for discrimination leading to a detriment (non-renewed contract) on the grounds of her beliefs. It's not a standard unfair dismissal case.

Red, I feel the same way. I run the risk of having my family deported if a belief in biology can legally be viewed as hate speech, so getting sacked would only be the first domino. I refuse to give my mobile phone number to twitter to remove my ban for this reason. And I have several letters that can’t be sent until either the legal position is clarified or we gain citizenship.
I posted on a feminist sports fb page last week in my real name (an entirely polite and anodyne question asking if sporting bodies had a responsibility to future female athletes to consider the ramifications of how/ whether to include XY athletes in XX competition) and it was removed and I was blocked. The swiftness and harshness of the response was a shock, but a salient reminder that unless I can handle being in Maya’s position, I absolutely cannot speak publicly in my own name. So, really, they did me a favour by deleting, but I doubt that was their motivation.
I’m so grateful that Maya has the strength for this.

Maxi gab

(Hahaha I'm totally leaving that in as the autocorrect for my first attempt...)

Madigan should do some research into how to improve their profile, now they've been supplanted by others.

Might I suggest a doctoral thesis as a starter:

"Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About"
-R McKinnon

Oh, of course, dear me, it's a slow day today!

CGD is Centre for Global Development - aka the unthinking tank who fired a woman for voicing an opinion.

Maya's former employer. The tweet was inviting people to join in online debate so you can imagine the replies. They've unpinned it now.