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Shaun Dellenty - the 'new' Andrew Moffatt

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HandsOffMyRights · 04/05/2019 09:22

I've recently come across this author/speaker:

shaundellenty.com/

www.<a class="break-all" href="https://amazon.co.uk/Celebrating-Difference-Shaun-Dellenty/dp/1472961501/ref=nodl_?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-womens-rights-3576819-Shaun-Dellenty-the-new-Andrew-Moffatt" rel="nofollow" target="blank">amazon.co.uk/Celebrating-Difference-Shaun-Dellenty/dp/1472961501/ref=nodl

Like Andrew Moffatt, he is a gay man and (I believe) a former educator.

He goes into schools to talk about his book/LGBT inclusion and has an upcoming webinar for teachers via the National College.

His book is also endorsed by Peter Tatchell and Michael Cashman. The latter has recently tweeted out about Dellenty's book.

Is anybody familiar with him? Do we know if this inclusion supports girls/young lesbians?

After Andrew Moffatt's take on the EA and the questions around his work (great article via Transgendertrend) I find myself questionning any of the males going into schools to talk about inclusion, based on their experience as a homosexual man.

When I think about it, it only seems to be males or gay males influencing schools.
I've witnessed in my niece's school, in a privileged area, as the wealthy head boy is treated like a God, seemingly just because he is gay. Meanwhile, a friend's lesbian daughter is convinced she's trans now and a straight male.

Back to Dellenty - It may be this book and author do prioritise young girls and lesbians, but I am curious to find out more as I am hearing Dellenty's names and tweets crop up more and more in education.

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R0wantrees · 04/05/2019 15:10

My post is dancing around a bit because it seems to come back to safeguarding. To men, whose agendas and backgrounds may be ambiguous or disingenuous (at best - and we know the at worst equals the Challenors) influencing LGBT policy and teaching, while, in many cases, being given unfetered access to schools, charities, clubs and businesses, poweful supporters and funding.

There is absolutely zero regulation.

YY

The promotion of adults' agendas, 'rights' & ideologies will always risk damage to Safeguarding frameworks.

Adults who understand Safeguarding focus on the needs of every child and consider potential risks of harm.

School children should certainly never be used to affirm the needs/identities of adults.

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 15:07

Twinkl will be the new sparklebox.

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 15:04

I can see so many loop holes with this current structure

Absolutely! It’s always been known that there were safeguarding loopholes in the academy system and there was going to a massive scandal one day. Well here we are. Sad

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 15:02

A head may not think to go through with a fine tooth comb

Well that decision can bite them on the arse.

twinkl is becoming woker by the day, I challenge when I can.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 15:02

I can see so many loop holes with this current structure.

This is why questioning this matters.

R0wantrees · 04/05/2019 15:02

They rely heavily on Twinkl these days; twinkle have shiny resources on this, quick print and off you go. They rely on 'outside experts' - quick photocopy of a pack and off you go.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3516454-twinkl-has-fallen-for-the-rainbow-guff

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 15:01

Yes I will do. Thank you. I'm going to ask in order to get the deliverer and fellow course people to think a wee bit.

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 14:59

*I’m going to ask: who vets content?

Again the school. I’ve everybody I can think of this and got quite high up and the answer is always individual schools.

Please consider responding to this government white paper on online harms.

dcms.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_5nm7sPoxilSoTg9

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:58

Or teachers write them themselves, finding what they can for free or very low cost.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:57

Under the old curriculum the government had written schemes of work to fit all the objectives that had to be legally delivered. They were dry and boring but showed how to do things specifically. Schools didn't have to use them but often they did because, time.

These do not exist anymore.

Outside agencies create them now, many ex teachers. Schools buy them in.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:55

Management are absolutely responsible for the content of anything they allow to be delivered in their school.

Absolutely but I've seen posts on Twinkl where teachers in charge of pshe are looking around for schemes to buy in. They will be teachers. A head may not think to go through with a fine tooth comb.

Some Head teachers might not see the red flags we see if schemes are accredited as this one appears to be.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:53

I'm going to ask: who vets content?

And refer to Re Instagram self harm, so if a speaker talks about suicide how does this lie given journalism is heavily censored? And then mention the above "diversity" stuff.

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 14:53

NeurotrashWarrior

Management are absolutely responsible for the content of anything they allow to be delivered in their school.

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 14:52

NeurotrashWarrior

Individual teachers shouldn’t be held responsible for this. Management/SLT/Governing bodies will be.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:51

To add, vetting only includes DBS clearance.

I'm going to do updated safeguarding training soon; I'm going to ask this specific question plus regarding suicide.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:50

*In short, who is vetting trainers, visitors, external speakers?

This is the job of the individual schools who are allowing them in.*

This also comes down to the fact that some teachers, especially younger ones, or woke ones, will simply not see the bigger picture of all this.

Dots are not joined unless explicitly as teachers do not have the time to do this or have experience.

They rely heavily on Twinkl these days; twinkle have shiny resources on this, quick print and off you go. They rely on 'outside experts' - quick photocopy of a pack and off you go.

I'm a teacher, I tried to use some Twinkl science stuff for y5 as I thought it was easy; it was a pig ear and I ended up abandoning it but only as I've had years of experience teaching that particular area and I could see the flaws. A few years ago I'd have just dutifully followed it. (But I'm pre twinkle era.)

I only know about the issues around trans and children thanks to an experience with a child around 10 years ago and through mumsnet - mn joined the dots. Explicitly.

This misogyny is so subtly woven into general society and tv etc it has to be spelt out explicitly before critical thought can engage.

Luckily I've noticed there's a few savvy teachers on Tes forums. It's a bit mixed on Twinkl face book pages.

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 14:37

Here’s Rhiannon:

mobile.twitter.com/RhiannonV

Rhiannon doesn’t think Meghan Murphy should be allowed to address Scottish Parliament in support women’s rights. I don’t think Rhiannon likes free speech or women having rights or indeed reality.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:32

I can't imagine how hard it was but the current head boy so supported, given free rein to invite in speakers, organise events and educate teachers on how to be more accommodating to those who feel they were 'born in the wring body'. Meanwhile a young lesbian has been 'transed'. She's 13.

Fuck.

This is why this is a feminist issue.

RepealTheGRA · 04/05/2019 14:30

In short, who is vetting trainers, visitors, external speakers?

This is the job of the individual schools who are allowing them in.

TIE are the authors of that fact free emotive drivel, masquerading as a letter that was sent to papers to whine about Joan McAlpines twitter threads on Sex and Gender.

I think it’s Rhiannon Spear who’s very keen to throw women’s rights away, despite the fact I think she actually is female!

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:29

Yes, I can't imagine how hard it was but the current head boy so supported, given free rein to invite in speakers, organise events and educate teachers on how to be more accommodating to those who feel they were 'born in the wring body'. Meanwhile a young lesbian has been 'transed'. She's 13.

Fucking hell.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:27

I'm reading thread as I post, sorry but yes this:

And guess what? TIE's staff are all male. Not a single female or lesbian amongst them.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:26

Where are the lesbian motivational speakers who were teachers and have spent hours self PR ing themselves and writing schemes of work??

🤔

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/05/2019 14:24

First, the man is an absolute monstrous egotist.

Yes this is sexist stereotyping but I'm yet to meet a man in education who pushes themselves to the top and gets out of the classroom ASAP who isn't one of these.

HandsOffMyRights · 04/05/2019 14:18

Red flags over the lack of answers re TIE and any lesbian involvement.

Thanks R0wan for the comprehensive links again. My post is dancing around a bit because it seems to come back to safeguarding. To men, whose agendas and backgrounds may be ambiguous or disingenuous (at best - and we know the at worst equals the Challenors) influencing LGBT policy and teaching, while, in many cases, being given unfetered access to schools, charities, clubs and businesses, poweful supporters and funding.

There is absolutely zero regulation.

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R0wantrees · 04/05/2019 13:47

Weaponising suicide and conflating sex and sexuality is a huge part of what's wrong with so many of these trainers. Still shuddering over Jan the trainer from Mermaids!

Imherefornow Sat 22-Dec-18
"Here are the links to the transcripts thanks to a wonderful mumsnet collaboration. Share as you will"

docs.google.com/document/d/1NDOMlo2aEpBl2ySfKdEWCb1H94tZciKiqUffjH1ku0Y/edit?usp=sharing

docs.google.com/document/d/1aeFV0T6j4PXvm1xZBS_50oSJYV-_gO8YMoFjKjNA_9Y/edit?usp=sharing

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training

Janice Turner Time article about the Mermaids teacher training course:
'Trans ideologists are spreading cod science'
(extract)
re you a Princess Barbie jelly-baby who likes frilly dresses, high heels and takes ages to get ready? Or a GI Joe jelly-baby who wears boots and functional clothing? Did you know that your preference for pink sparkles or muddy sports isn’t down to societal expectations of boys and girls. No, it’s written in your chromosomes. And that’s science.

Well, science according to Mermaids, the charity for trans children, in a presentation understood to be given to thousands of teachers, health workers, police and politicians, and part-funded by the Department for Education.

I listened to a recording of this bizarre 90-minute training lecture and wish others could too. Particularly those who pride themselves on rationality and evidence-based thinking: atheists, fans of Richard Dawkins and Ben Goldacre’s Bad Science; those incensed by climate change deniers on TV or creationists in schools; the same people who are tweeting #istandwithmermaids because the Big Lottery Fund is reviewing, in the light of an outcry, its decision to award them a £500,000 grant.

On tape the Mermaids trainer tells us that humans don’t come in two sexes, male and female, sperm and ovum: “Most people still think that way,” she says airily. “But what we know now, thanks to advances in science, is that the human race has up to 42 different sets of chromosomes.”

Biological sex is on a spectrum, she says, like skin tone and (seriously) bra size. A person’s “gender identity jelly baby” has nothing to do with how we are raised: it is inside you at birth. You know you are a man because you walk like a man and like “manly” things. A listener questions why this lecture is based upon stereotypes and is told “you’re going too clever” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-ideologists-are-spreading-cod-science-m8n0pdbq3?shareToken=fde80c0e145ac752011bc2df91a1beb1