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Deadly Serious Question, I can apply for this if I self-identify as male, can't I?

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mollythewonderpup · 03/05/2019 23:47

www.charityjob.co.uk/jobs/my-time/male-programme-facilitator/636485?tsId=2&referrerIsJobSearch=True&rankId=1

This jobs genuinely looks great and I meet all of the person specification. They want a 'male' but I believe I can self identify into that, am I right?

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starzig · 04/05/2019 01:42

Yes. Facilitator for male programmes.

BettyFloop · 04/05/2019 01:24

starzig - the jobad specifically states we are looking for a Male Programme Facilitator....

LassOfFyvie · 04/05/2019 01:21

It says The Equality Act 2010, Schedule 9, Part 1, Paragraph 1 applies to this post. Like other posters I take that to mean the applicant should be male.

BettyFloop · 04/05/2019 01:19

This is exactly what women's organisations should be doing but aren't.

Well, some women's organisations aren't. I work for a women's organisation and we always quote the EA 2010 exemption in our recruitment ads (we are so 20th Century - not a bit woke...or even scared, really).

I'm actually impressed by that recruitment advert because it does acknowledge the sex class male/men as perpetrators of DV. (But I don't believe perpetrator programmes actually do much to help women and children. In my experience, perpetrator programmes just give men new tools and language to use in their abuse but maybe that's another thread...)

I agree though - we shouldn't take the piss where male sex specific services are warranted because doing that will only turn round and bite female sex specific services on the bum at some point.

Might be handy to screenshot the jobad for evidence that male people also might benefit from same sex provision though...

starzig · 04/05/2019 01:17

I read it as the people on the programmes you would be facilitating are male, not necessarily the job candidate. So I would say go for it.

LassOfFyvie · 04/05/2019 01:16

Even if you could, I think we should only take the piss where an organisation is clear that it is using self ID as it's criteria for womanhood/manhood

This is a advert for difficult and potentially dangerous work. The men the successful applicant will be working with may well be aggressive- the advert refers to volatile situations.

Your question isn't "deadly serious". It is trivial and trivialises what the point of this job is.

donquixotedelamancha · 04/05/2019 00:44

The Equality Act 2010, Schedule 9, Part 1, Paragraph 1 applies to this post.

That makes clear that they are exercising an exemption to the EA. No, you can't.

Even if you could, I think we should only take the piss where an organisation is clear that it is using self ID as it's criteria for womanhood/manhood.

This is exactly what women's organisations should be doing but aren't.

This.

Greeborising · 04/05/2019 00:15

You can apply but I doubt you’d be taken seriously if you don’t have a dick.
Not trying to be flippant or unkind in any way.

AncientLights · 04/05/2019 00:10

Self ID isn't law, the Equality Act 2010 is still in force (long may it remain so) and it seems to me that they are merely enforcing an exemption, as they are entitled to.

This is exactly what women's organisations should be doing but aren't. IANAL btw. It's useful to see though - if they can enforce it why can't women?

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