'Transphobic' stickers in Dundee; except they aren't transphobic are they?

Why is everything female related transphobic?

Yeah, funny that.

I hope that Jennifer will catch up soon, but is kind to herself and feels no shame or disgust when she looks back to the opinions she currently holds. She's drunk the koolaid without informed consent and who knows how many stickers she'll have to report before the penny finally drops and she realises she's been duped.

Why is everything female related transphobic?

Lunabody I’d love to hear your description of ‘female gender identity’ in words that don’t include ‘identity’ or ‘gender’ as in ‘a female gender identity is the identity that females have’. Go on- enlighten us.

In 20 years time I will be proud that I stood up for women’s rights, science rather than ideology and rationality rather than mystical belief. This seems to make me ‘transphobic’ in which case I am proud to call myself transphobic too.

Standing for women sell them....

Lunabody I’ve read your links. They say quite clearly that discrimination against a transsexual person is allowed if there is a good enough reason for doing so. The law describes this as a proportionate means for a legitimate aim. The link suffers from the same mixup between sex and gender that is so common in that it says a service provider must provide services according to the sex in which you present. But of course as sex is fixed at conception and cannot be changed the sex you present as will be the sex you were born as. A GRC allows a legal fiction of changing sex to some individuals who have gone through significant counselling/treatment although this is very rare. Stonewall et al would of course like to be able to give GRCs out to all and sundry without need for any check or any surgical and hormonal treatment. Given that 97% of all sexual offences are committed by men and the vast majority of victims are women it is inevitable that predatory men will see this as a great opportunity to gain access to female only spaces without challenge. This is not the same as saying that all transsexuals are predators but a realistic view of the way in which such a law will be abused.

Totally agree with this sticker which is an accurate representation of EA2010. Extremely disappointed with the Scotrail response. Unisex toilets especially at night when few people are about are not safe for women and girls. I hope scotrail have carried out appropriate risk assessments if they are no longer providing single sex facilities. Insurance company would also need notifying as any claims arising from this would probably not be covered if they haven't.

A spokesperson from the Equality Network said: “Single-sex women’s toilets are legally open to all women, including trans women.

Wtf?! Have some people lost the ability to comprehend?

At some point you lot will catch up, and in twenty years time will look back on yourselves with disgust at the opinions you currently hold

Yeah, men committing 98% of all sex crime and 90% of sex crimes happening in changing rooms being confined to the 10% that are mixed sex, isn't an opinion.

Unfortunately for both your daft assertion, and women in general.

Stickers can be bought via Standing for Women website. Very reasonable they are too.

It’s hard to believe people would go out of their way, and spend money, to police other people’s gender identity.

Without wishing to sounds like a child, they started it first. Perhaps if women has been asked about self-ID before implementation we wouldn’t have to fund campaigning against it.

Comments on the Tully website below the story seem to also support the sticker. 👍

(Telegraph will always be the Tully in my head, as I always heard the newspaper sellers shouting when i was visiting Dundee as a bairn. )

Twenty years from now I won’t give a shit who’s using which toilets because I’ll have a jet-powered Zimmer frame and be pissing behind a cloud.

You can hope that we will all think that women have no rights or protections specific to their sex in twenty years if you want.

We'll just carry on being women's liberationists, and campaigning to keep those rights and protections. Go well.

Where do we buy them?

“The legalistic language was very striking. I checked the other stalls to see if they had the stickers too, but they didn’t.”

so one women only toilet was one too many

Just for information, to Lunabody, I'm actually ashamed that much less than 20 years ago:

1. I promoted and supported Pride, marched with my friends and was even a speaker at a Pride event. Now I know that women who want same-sex relationships with other women are no longer welcome at Pride events, there is quite a lot of anger mixed in with the shame.

1. That I fell for the TWAW bullshit despite the very obvious mental health issues in many of the transwomen I met.

1. That I didn't know true gender dysphoria in males is rare, but autogynephilia is relatively common.

I hope that in 2 years time Lunabody has also come to the same level of understanding and will hold similar disgust that women were thrown under a bus so men could get their wank-fodder.

I love the stickers - where can I order a reel of them?

But Lunabody those links conflate sex and gender:

'If you’re a transsexual person, you mustn’t be excluded from separate or single sex services provided to people of your chosen gender'

Gender and sex are not the same. Humans cannot change sex. Transwomen are human adults of the male sex, therefore should use the services provided for male people, surely, where single sex exemptions apply?

I quite like the idea of subvertising posters with 'scrotal' instead of scotrail Tbh.
They are hard to like.

I'm not ashamed of that.
I won't be in 20 years.
They should put more staff on their late night trains and ensure drunk idiots aren't able to distress other passengers.

Lunabody please don't plop links and run.

Which opinions have I aired on this thread that I should be ashamed of?

SuperLoud

I first read the start of your post as....Are SCROTAL toilets really unisex.

I'll just leave these here.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services1/goods-and-services-what-are-the-different-types-of-discrimination/what-doesn-t-count-as-unlawful-discrimination-in-goods-and-services/single-sex-and-separate-services-for-men-and-women-when-discrimination-is-allowed/

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/protected-characteristics/gender-reassignment-discrimination/

At some point you lot will catch up, and in twenty years time will look back on yourselves with disgust at the opinions you currently hold. Or at least I can hope.

A train company would be able to say most of the toilets are unisex because the ones on the actual trains are.