Rape crisis centre - staff trained to “ask the cis guest to leave”

twitter.com/Slutdesiwife/status/1123291235135967234 This person is apparently giving evidence to the Women & Equalities Committee today. A transwoman with a twitter handle "slutdesiwife" is advising the govt on self ID.

I hope that The Women & Equalities Committee have been made aware of the evidence today given by Joanna Cherry MP to The HUman Rights Parliamentary Committee about sexist, misogynistic harrassment/threats to women on Twitter specifically the use of 'terf'.

Human Rights Committee - EXTRACT
Wednesday 1 May 2019 Meeting started at 3.16pm, ended 4.52pm

parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0364bfc3-5adc-4aef-99bd-48c68daacc38?in=15:27:30&out=15:50:30

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3574580-Parliamentary-committee-Joanna-Cherry-SNP-MP-QC-challenge-to-Twitter-representative-about-abuse-of-women-terf-why-sex-is-not-protected-characteristic

Good grief ZebrasAreBras

That twitter thread - and this person is speaking to the Equalities committee about self ID? They're a walking demonstration of what women say is the problem!!! (hope someone has screenshots of it)

I think making out born women are the oppressors of born males, just because those born males feel they should be women - or fetishize dressing up as women - might be the greatest trick the devil ever played.

I'm thinking I wouldn't advise anyone who has been raped to report it, or go to a rape crisis centre. Between the police, CPS, juries, and now male-bodied transwomen with penises taking priority over us in Rape Crisis centres and refuges - it's just a No.

We will go underground. Crisis centres will have to become decentralised and women will have to hide in attics and cellars.

Progress. Inclusion.

CarolDanvers, I hate to say it, but I'm thinking the same.

twitter.com/Slutdesiwife/status/1123291235135967234 This person is apparently giving evidence to the Women & Equalities Committee today. A transwoman with a twitter handle "slutdesiwife" is advising the govt on self ID.

You know what's going to happen. The govt say they will consult women's groups about self ID - and the ones they consult will be the ones that have policies like these - and they will merrily say "no, no impact on women's rights" - because they'll be called transphobes and lose their funding if they don't. When the impact on women's rights is plaint to see, it's written into their policies. The impact is that women will be asked to leave if they are not comfortable sharing faciliies with male-bodied transwoman.

Our female biology - which feminists have long seen as the reason women are oppressed, is now being touted as some sort of privilege by TRAs - by which we're oppressing transwomen - because they want that biology. So women become the oppressors of males who identify as women.

We have to be the ones to leave the women's refuges because according to them, we are now the oppressors.

I thought that this was a UK shelter, where the Equality Act and GRA applied. It's not.

It's the Cambridge Women's Center, Massachusets, USA.

they've made it clear the transwoman gets absolute priority.

It's becoming pretty clear that in the Equality Act, despite what it actually says, trans trumps everything else. Race, religion, culture, disability, the lot. And 'sex' (women) is being openly dropped from protection at all.

We're talking about in the massive majority of cases, straight, white, educated, affluent, able bodied males.

If they think women have much (or any) control over their trauma response they have no idea about trauma response, particularly in women traumatised as children. You don't feel safe because someone tells you to, you feel safe after months and possibly years of rebuilding your neural pathways in relationship with people who you trust.

This.

And this.

A trauma response doesn't always respond to "reason". A female who has experienced sexual abuse/trauma then comes face to face with an obviously male bodied person - I tell you, it's horrific. The fact that the woman and her opinions and feelings/experiences yet again holds no value whatsoever just makes me want to cry. We mean nothing when faced with males and their wants and their desires and their needs and their feelings. Women are yet again nothing.

A trauma response doesn't always respond to "reason". A female who has experienced sexual abuse/trauma then comes face to face with an obviously male bodied person - I tell you, it's horrific. The fact that the woman and her opinions and feelings/experiences yet again holds no value whatsoever just makes me want to cry. We mean nothing when faced with males and their wants and their desires and their needs and their feelings. Women are yet again nothing.

I thought the point of rape crisis centres were to help women with their trauma

Nope, that would be to centre women. The purpose of rape crisis centres is to validate transwomen. It’s 2019.

Well, they've made it clear the transwoman gets absolute priority.

The solution is simple - single sex services should not be put in this position. They shouldn't have to decide which one of the two sexes they can work with.

Men should not be referred to them. Men should not self-refer to them - even though a refusal often offends. There are plenty of LGBT helplines that can advise on more appropriate services.

Service providers not be pressurised to accept men by funders and grant-givers on pain of losing income.

Service providers should know their law too.

It makes me think that some services will do anything to save themselves - even if it means sacrificing the women who turn to them for help.

So you have been raped, Police and CPS do fuck all. Your rapist identifies as a woman and enters the refuge you have sheltered in. Then you are asked to leave when you have the reaction any of us females would. Fucking fuck, I am so angry. WOMEN funded these shelters, WOMEN gave their widow's mite to fund them for their sisters who needed them, WOMEN give their time to run them. Right now I am flippin fumin. What the hell can we do? Is there anything we can do? Something needs to be done!

If they think women have much (or any) control over their trauma response they have no idea about trauma response, particularly in women traumatised as children. You don't feel safe because someone tells you to, you feel safe after months and possibly years of rebuilding your neural pathways in relationship with people who you trust.

There was no need to write the huge psychobabble bollocks list. All they had to write was, 'If women don't want males in their space, they can fuck right off.'

Note the total lack of transmen hammering on men's services

Is Mankind Initiative opening its services to transmen? Somebody should ask them.

@CarolDanvers

You see, I like to think that people will wake up and stop this from going any further. I like to tell myself that there has to be a cut off point where too many women will have been hurt and someone will say "enough is enough!"

But people don't actually give a shit about women, do they? It won't matter how many women suffer or get hurt as a result of this. People just won't care.

Because males are more important.

Evidently .

I don’t think we should give up but I do think we might need to start again.
I’d happily contribute to a (new) refuge or rape crisis centre that clearly and openly applies the Equality Act and provides services for women only. Excluding men identifying as women.

I share everyone's despair. Given that the trans organisations (including stonewall) are deluged with funding and influence it is beyond belief that they don't do what women did as we self funded and developed services for women - rape crisis, women's aid etc.

And as Michelleoftheresistance so eloquently points out - that's because selfish and self absorbed men are not remotely interested in developing resources for their communities. It is all about validation of the individual "ego" (that's my polite word) off the backs of women and women's work in order to satisfy whichever narcissistic urge is prominent. I know the edifice will eventually collapse as anything based on delusions and fetishes is always found out - in the end. But oh, the damage to women and children in the process.

There are no specific services for trans people because trans people do not want them. What they want is women's services. (Note the total lack of transmen hammering on men's services). Being among women, particularly women undressing, sleeping, showering, toileting, is what it's about because it's validating, it's proof, and in some and arguably many cases, it's the thrill being sought in the first place. Women are necessary props.

Which is why people claiming to be women could not give a fuck about the needs, feelings or issues of women and only go on and on about their own needs and wishes, and why women must not be allowed to opt out or escape.

Which means, by default, surrender your boundaries and consent or you lose your human and civil rights for services.

The whole racism thing hacks me off beyond belief: ANY OTHER male is not allowed to enter a women's rape crisis centre. There is NO objective difference between a TW and a male if you are not a believer of genderism. A TW is not a 'different kind of woman'. It was polite lies and generosity in going along with any of this, pronouns included, that have pushed things to this utterly appalling point.

Yeah, it is depressing... I’ve got Hyperprolactinemia so I cry a lot anyway but that combined with early menopause, and with it the menopause rage, and I’m a fucking angry sobbing mess at all this news