Another women's sport thread.

This is a dark day for fairness in sport.

Like hell it is. McKinnon was just creaming themselves that they would be able to beat women even easier with their full T level going. Given they keep claiming testosterone makes absolutely no difference so men should be able to compete with women with no restrictions..unlucky, misogynist.

From the judgement:
on the basis of the evidence submitted by the parties, such discrimination is a necessary, reasonable and proportionate means of achieving the IAAF's aim of preserving the integrity of female athletics in the restricted events.

That's a positive statement (unbelievable that I am relieved that it was stated but here we are......)

Sorry - don't mind me, I'll fully read up on the other thread so I understand

Caster Semenya

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3511026-Caster-Semenya

DrRMk is unhappy, so it's good news for women in sport I'm assuming?
Caster's case was denied. * This is a dark day for fairness in sport.*

I'm not really sure what this means for women in sport, can someone give me a kiss overview?

I do really feel for Semenya as she's been dragged into this as a trans issue really.

I do feel bad for Casper as her case is obviously different from trans women.

CAS backs IAAF but declares "serious concerns."

Semenya will move up to 5k to avoid the rule.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/48102479

I just saw in the G that Semenya lost her case...

Ruliing expected at Noon BST.

CAS tend to give the benefit of the doubt to governing bodies to administer sport as they think fit. They are generally tougher on national governing bodies who attempt to restrict athlete participation, such as when they ruled the BOA could not ban drug cheats for life from the Olympics.

It may or may not be relevant that in the recent SA champs, Semenya moved up to 5000m where the proposed testosterone limits will not apply.

Yeah and the outcome shouldn’t be that every women athlete is tested for testosterone.

Cos the varitions can be massive

Yeah girl fuck that shite.

TowelNumber42 that does look more promising

Sebastian's quote worried be for a minute til I got to or a male athlete has over a female athlete,

Let's see what kind of reaction that gets and hope for a sensible outcome on the ruling today.

(I too miss the edit function !)

The push is already underway to remove the trans prefix, the word female is already used by lots of transwomen in their bios and some even say they've always been women.

So littl I don't think we'll even get to be transphobic for very long. There'll be no trans people. I guess they'll decide what our new designation is.

But fuck that shit!

SebastiAn.

See. No proof reading skills

That second quote was from Sebastion Coe. I cannot proof read for toffee

GirlDownUnder they seem to be promoting natal women's sport without a trans agenda, as in a pro-women agenda.

I was encouraged by this on the BBC sports website on Semenya This is not a case about transgender. But one of the questions it raises is that transgender athletes - who have transitioned from one gender to another - might ask why they are obliged to alter their hormone levels when DSD athletes are free to compete without doing so.

I'm encouraged because it will stop the red herring of current testosterone levels and get conversation back onto female skeleton shape, bone density, male puberty etc. Basically that men and women have fundamentally different bodies in ways that cannot be altered by surgical or pharmaceutical procedures.

No individual athlete has been targeted in the creation of the regulations.

We need to create competition categories within our sport that ensures that success is determined by talent, dedication and hard work, rather than by other factors that are not considered fair or meaningful, such as the enormous physical advantages that an adult has over a child, or a male athlete has over a female athlete.

Balanced article for the BBC I think, which perhaps shows a fault line between the woke fantasists and realists who work with actual sports people.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/48114137

We are all transphobe s now girl. Just for existing

I see loads of girls going off to plat football. It’s girls football not anybodies football

Jeez am so fucking pissed by this and the way the bbc reported this

I've already (last few days) read comments on twitter saying that men are only speaking up now because they are transphobes who hate transwomen and they were never interested enough in women's sports before.

So already they are lining up their 'defence' against any man who does speak up.

Yeah Louise on bbc just said is women’s sport even relevant

Athletics auidiences dropping cos people think that drugging is prevelant

Now this would make it into a joke

holy shit they really said that?

This is getting so scary. I thought people generally understand why women's sport exists. It was also obvious that the endpoint of transactivism would destroy women's sport. BUT I THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T SAYING IT OUT LOUD YET.

Are they thinking they can get the public to support this? I hope they're wrong.

And if they can get public support for that, what other women's rights are they going to feel emboldened to openly destroy?

Have I just become an anybody.

Sadly littl I think you'd become a no-body because of your genetics you'd probably not place high enough.

"Women XX" will have to become a Paralympic category.

BBC and the Guardian have had a big push recently on promoting women's sport

How do they define woman??!

If there is no women’s sport where will I play my sport.

Where will girls train for if there is no women’s sport

It’s like just erasing women isn’t it ?

Have I just become an anybody.

Imagine athletics meetings

The men’s 100 metres. And then the commentator announces the anybody 100 metres