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Having a hard time with a man at work

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Biancadelrioisback · 30/04/2019 11:39

I am the only female in a (very small) company. One of the men who works here keeps making odd, sweeping statements about 'women' and I have no idea how to handle this.
So basically, an example was today. He told me that women don't like men who cry and it's important to teach that to boys. I told him I absolutely did not agree, that I won't teach my son that and as a woman I prefer men not to bottle up their emotions. He told me that I was wrong, that women say they like men who show their emotions but really they dont. I pointed out again that, as a woman, I can't be grouped in with every other woman, that we think and feel independently, and that I know for a fact that many women do like men to show emotions. He just turned away and scoffed and I feel annoyed and frustrated.
He makes lots of comments like this, saying what 'women' do and don't like, or how 'women' act. I always point out that we are not all the same, that just like men, we are all different.
He also uses air quotes when talking about women feeling "threatened" by men as if it's a joke.

I've raised this with my manager who said he hasn't noticed. My manager is lovely and I think if he did notice he would speak up (he has in the past) but I don't think he hears things the same way I do. Or maybe I've become more sensitive to every day sexism?

As I say, we are a very small company and I love my job. I don't want to rock the boat. And basically, if this guy left without an immediate replacement, we might not make it.
He is young (25) and single but desperate for a girlfriend (he's always on tinder and POF) but says he can't find a 'nice girl', that they're all fake and he wants someone 'real'. He also isn't from the UK so perhaps the culture is a contribution factor here.

Argh, sorry for the rant, I just dont know how to handle this!

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Bookworm4 · 30/04/2019 12:38

I have a feeling he's never had and never will have a successful date if he keeps dribbling this pish at women 🙄

floribunda18 · 30/04/2019 12:36

"Have you ever met any women?"

floribunda18 · 30/04/2019 12:34

I'd have to say "What a load of bollocks."

DarlingNikita · 30/04/2019 12:33

I wouldn't come back with any smart or funny responses, or argue back. He just likes getting a reaction. So don't give him one. Walk away/turn your back/assume a blankly polite expression and say 'I'm off to the photocopier/cafe/loo now' and go.

I would however write down everything he says – don't try to hide from him the fact that you're writing, but don't respond if he asks what you're doing –just in case.

Oh and BTW: My manager is lovely No he isn't. I don't think he hears things the same way I do. Please. You know that's rubbish. And yes, it is about everyday sexism.

lottiegarbanzo · 30/04/2019 12:33

'Well I know what my opinion is on that', nod to self and turn back to your work.

Never feel the need to tell him your opinion. Why would you - are you interested in seeking his?

Ellie56 · 30/04/2019 12:30

"Jeffrey do you have to work hard at being a twat or does it come naturally?" Hmm

BeansandRice · 30/04/2019 12:29

Or just laugh, and say "oh gosh you are so funny."

FizzyGreenWater · 30/04/2019 12:29

Yep, grey rock.

And then, a step on from that - rudeness- just ignore. Or reply 'mmm' and simply be offhand, make it clear you can't be arsed to engage or make time for him.

If he comments, then just shrug and say, 'well, sorry to be harsh Jeff but it's pretty much the same conversation every time isn't it, let me guess, x is the way it is because 'women' (using your air quotes here Jeff baby!) do this and 'women' all think that... sorry if this comes across as harsh but you don't seem to have much of an idea about people except in the very simplest terms. Sexism is boring because sexism is thick, educate yourself a bit or you're going to find more people switching off when you start talking!'

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 30/04/2019 12:28

"when you actually understand women, you can voice an opinion Jerffrey"

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/04/2019 12:27

Irritating colleague: "Women hate men who cry".

OP: "All men disrespect women".

IC: "You can't generalise like that"

OP: Looks at IC and waits for the penny to drop.

Toooldtocareanymore · 30/04/2019 12:25

ask him next time irrespective of the comment he makes , why is he always telling you what women feel or want, does he not know you are a woman so you know this already, ( irrespective of the crap he's spouting) then keep commenting when he does it that you have never met a man so in touch with the way you ,the woman, thinks.

JaneEyre07 · 30/04/2019 12:25

He's taking pleasure in winding you up.

I find a raised eyebrow and "hmm, how interesting" works well, then turn away. Never engage as you can't argue with stupid.

Hearhere · 30/04/2019 12:24

I gotta say I would be very tempted by The 'mummy issues' line of..... humiliation
certainly you could take him down and make him feel like a complete idiot, but he WILL retaliate and it will go on

Deadringer · 30/04/2019 12:23

He obviously knows nothing about women, and I would tell him so. After that I would go with the 'let me stop you there' suggestion.

BillywilliamV · 30/04/2019 12:23

“Most women wouldn’t tell you to stuff your head up your own arse and suffocate yourself to death, but Im going to do just that!

Hearhere · 30/04/2019 12:22

But generally don't pay him the compliment of engaging with his argument, just dismiss it with something like 'you've got some odd ideas haven't you!'
and then change the subject, don't let him have the spotlight

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 30/04/2019 12:22

Maybe an eye roll and an under the breath huh. And if he questions it just say 'nothing' with an equally irritating and smug inward chuckle I've just read back and have seen someone's beat me to it Grin

FriarTuck · 30/04/2019 12:22

'I can see why you're single'
'You've not had much experience with women have you?'
'You know counselling could really help with that inferiority complex you have around women - there's nothing shameful about admitting you need help'
Or just pat him on the arm, tilt your head and say 'I'm guessing you have mummy issues' in a sickly voice (without laughing)
Have fun with it, turn it into a source of eternal amusement - have a whole list of put-downs and you'll be begging him to try and patronise you!

TheInebriati · 30/04/2019 12:21

Thats just playing his game. The only way to leave the game is to leave the game.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 30/04/2019 12:21

Never engage in argument just repeat your fixed response till he gets bored. Always the same general response I agree and also agree with keeping a log just in case . And roll your eyes a LOT,I find a good eye roll makes me feel so much better about having to deal with people like this.

Hearhere · 30/04/2019 12:20

You could just make jokes about incels?

Fatted · 30/04/2019 12:19

Sounds like he's enjoying winding you up to be honest. Smile, nod, ignore. Use some 'uh-hu's while nodding and not turning around from your desk will also do the trick.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 30/04/2019 12:18

My DH worked with a guy like this for years, occasionally still does. He used to challenge every crap sexist statement or ‘advice’ this Neanderthal would spew about women but it did cause friction so after a while he literally ignored him and only spoke to him when he had to. Most others did the same so I think he probs just joined a forum or something full of incels to talk to.

Grey Rock is such a good tactic.

Datun · 30/04/2019 12:17

Oooh, that's vastly irritating isn't it.

Registering your contempt, whilst not prolonging the convo is quite difficult.

Maybe an eye roll and an under the breath huh. And if he questions it just say 'nothing' with an equally irritating and smug inward chuckle.

Or, as others say, ignore it. I would find that tricky myself though.

DizzySue · 30/04/2019 12:14

He's enjoying getting a rise out of you.

Sympathetic head tilt 'oh dear...you really have no idea what women like, do you?' Tinkly laugh, and then dismiss and ignore.

You will never change his opinion, arguing with him will somehow give him a reason to put you in one of his pre-decided categories. (Probably 'hormonal female')

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