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Having a hard time with a man at work

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Biancadelrioisback · 30/04/2019 11:39

I am the only female in a (very small) company. One of the men who works here keeps making odd, sweeping statements about 'women' and I have no idea how to handle this.
So basically, an example was today. He told me that women don't like men who cry and it's important to teach that to boys. I told him I absolutely did not agree, that I won't teach my son that and as a woman I prefer men not to bottle up their emotions. He told me that I was wrong, that women say they like men who show their emotions but really they dont. I pointed out again that, as a woman, I can't be grouped in with every other woman, that we think and feel independently, and that I know for a fact that many women do like men to show emotions. He just turned away and scoffed and I feel annoyed and frustrated.
He makes lots of comments like this, saying what 'women' do and don't like, or how 'women' act. I always point out that we are not all the same, that just like men, we are all different.
He also uses air quotes when talking about women feeling "threatened" by men as if it's a joke.

I've raised this with my manager who said he hasn't noticed. My manager is lovely and I think if he did notice he would speak up (he has in the past) but I don't think he hears things the same way I do. Or maybe I've become more sensitive to every day sexism?

As I say, we are a very small company and I love my job. I don't want to rock the boat. And basically, if this guy left without an immediate replacement, we might not make it.
He is young (25) and single but desperate for a girlfriend (he's always on tinder and POF) but says he can't find a 'nice girl', that they're all fake and he wants someone 'real'. He also isn't from the UK so perhaps the culture is a contribution factor here.

Argh, sorry for the rant, I just dont know how to handle this!

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abcriskringle · 30/04/2019 17:45

I'd go for a touch of condescension mixed with sarcasm- "My my, you've got it all figured out haven't you? No wonder you're having such good luck with the ladies!" Tinkly laugh I wouldn't bother trying to change his mind or even get irritated to be honest - he's not worth your time and energy.

BlackPrism · 30/04/2019 17:26

@AssangesCat I wouldn't do that tbh. If he already holds these beliefs he's not 100 miles away from trying to hurt or sabotage Op.

LaCastafiore · 30/04/2019 17:17

MyTaxiIsAlwaysLate
no need to be childish

it's a simple reasoning, if you can't handle an immature colleague on your own but need me to hold your hand to do that, how would you manage same employee once YOU are his manager?

today's example given by the OP is 2 people disagreeing with each other. He just turned away and scoffed and I feel annoyed and frustrated. seriously, you would want me to get involved in there? I would because that's my job, but don't expect me to take either of you seriously. It's like being in a classroom and having to tell people to shut up and keep all discussion business-related to avoid any upset. What I'd personally think about the comments is completely irrelevant.

Genderfreelass · 30/04/2019 16:54

I agree with others, don't engage just a short standard response repeated each time he comments - " really, that's nice" or similar dismissive slightly more polite way of saying "whatever". Also a log is good buy I think he'll get bored pretty quick if you don't engage.
I don't think it's necessarily a cultural thing, my hubby is Polish and I know quite a few eastern Europeans from various countries and they are all different in the same way women are all dif. My hubby cries when something sad happens or when he's very emotional.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 30/04/2019 16:38

I've raised this with my manager who said he hasn't noticed.

"Obviously not, that's why I'm making you aware. You do realise that sexism in the workplace is a form of discrimination, and illegal according to the Sex Discrimination Act of 1975?".

Sounds like he is just an opinionated twat, tbh. I second keeping an obvious diary.

missbattenburg · 30/04/2019 16:32

I find a half hearted smile but no verbal response goes a long way to making games like this as boring as possible for the other person.

Biancadelrioisback · 30/04/2019 16:28

He definitely struggles socially. While he is a massive pain, he does try (I think).

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Goosefoot · 30/04/2019 16:22

Some people do tend to think in those kind of sweeping generalisations. I think they can be people who have a hard time understanding social interactions or why people behave in certain ways. So they are inclined to pick up these ideas, sometimes they can be quite weird. But they are the only tools they have to try and make sense of things. They might be poorly educated more generally.

If he is basically a nice guy, I would try and treat him, in those interactions, kind of like he has the brain of a 14 year old boy. So set a good example for behaviour that might make him question his assumptions, or ask questions about his statements from time to time. Not all the time, but when you think it might really make him think. ou could say, "well, I am a women, Mike, and you know I don't do that. Do you think maybe it could be that women have a lot of views on that issue?" When you don't want to engage, ignore it or just say "Oh, I don't think that is true" and carry on.
He might have some sort of mental or social deficit, and a lot of men at 25 are still pretty immature these days. I always think if we can, it's good to help them toward a useful maturity rather than send them into the arms of weirdo conspiracy theorists.

Biancadelrioisback · 30/04/2019 16:16

Bernard (now I want a wine lolly!) He's from Lithuania.

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BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 30/04/2019 16:15

If he does it all the time then bore him with "Have you met every woman/American/English/gay person? No? I didn't think so." End of conversation. Every single time. Until he's so bored with it that he stops bothering to make sweeping statements.

Biancadelrioisback · 30/04/2019 16:13

LaCasta it's not the fact he is "being mean". Like I explained in my last post, I don't think he is "mean", I just think he is sexist and immature. I don't run to my boss whenever he makes a comment, I talk it out then and there with him, which is why I came here to ask advice as this approach isn't working and is just winding me up. My boss is aware as he has directly asked me how I am getting on with this person (like I said, very small team, technically a mico-company) and I told him that I don't appreciate the comments he makes about women.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 30/04/2019 16:12

But I definitely think all men should wish us a happy international women’s day!

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 30/04/2019 16:11

Is he Russian? I think international women’s day started there didn’t it and is more established iyswim?

MyTaxiIsAlwaysLate · 30/04/2019 16:09

Racism and homophobia OK or just sexism lacasta?

LaCastafiore · 30/04/2019 16:06

AssassinatedBeauty
if an adult is unable to deal with another adult from the same team then no, I don't give them much hope of progression.

It's not bullying. If you think that's what bullying is, you prove my point. Don't worry, the "mean" guy will be punished accordingly. But the one who needs the boss to hold her hand won't go very far.

MyTaxiIsAlwaysLate · 30/04/2019 16:03

I bwt the last time Jeff was anywhere near a vagina was when his mother gave birth to him.

I'd probably just say "how would you know?" To any comments about what women are like as he clearly has no experience to comment.

AssassinatedBeauty · 30/04/2019 15:40

Don't expect to go very far in the company if you need to tell the boss when someone is being mean to you.

That won't be what's happening, should she take details of the issue to HR/her manager. To continually have to field sexist statements at work is not acceptable. Just as having to continually field racist or homophobic statements would be. This is not about someone being "mean". And actually, even if it were, continually bullying at work is also not ok, and companies should be looking to stamp it out.

To ensure that someone who reports sexist harassment to you doesn't go far within your company is harassment in itself.

Biancadelrioisback · 30/04/2019 15:39

Oh lord! You lot are good!!

I really dont think he is doing it to get a rise from me. He talks this way all the time, whether I'm in the room or not (we can hear from our break room...sort of) and he talks this way about everything eg all English people do this, all American people think like this, all gay people are this etc. He genuinely believes what he says too.
I think he has good intentions, for example, when my grandma died he bought me flowers, and made a huge effort to wish me happy international women's Day which made me chuckle. But then he starts telling me how women think and coming out with shithouse statements.

I need to stop rising to it anyway, I just hate knowing he thinks that way about women!

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slug · 30/04/2019 15:29

Get one of these mugs
mug 1
Mug 2
I'm sorely tempted with this one
And plaster his desk with these.

Deadringer · 30/04/2019 15:26

Ask him why he is mansplaining what women think, to a woman.

LaCastafiore · 30/04/2019 15:04

to be honest, if someone comes to see me at work to complain about that kind of comments, I would of course deal with it. I would also be very unimpressed with the one who complains, I am not a teacher dealing with school playground squabble. Don't expect to go very far in the company if you need to tell the boss when someone is being mean to you.

Joisanofthedales · 30/04/2019 13:48

Some of the posts on here are genius and I wish I had the guts to use them.
I think I would probably just smile wearily and say 'ok if you say so' and turn back to work.

EweSurname · 30/04/2019 13:44

You should definitely grey rock him as in pelt him with one

snowdrop6 · 30/04/2019 13:43

I’d get a diary and write every single comment down...then I’d present it to my manager ..but I completely ignore him while doing so

lottiegarbanzo · 30/04/2019 13:43

You don't need to put in those terms to the chap himself - who may well be an idiot, as much as a troll. Deflection is good.

But your manager needs to know what's going on and that it's interfering with your wellbeing and taking up your time.

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