MtF sets 4 new world records in women's power lifting

"Posting what? This OP?"

This story.

This surely would be proof that this ain't right to most people?

I've been having conversations with a two friends recently about the CS case, which has some overlaps. One of them was always a lost cause, but the other I would have said was pretty practical and clear-thinking, although not very imaginative. So maybe someone who would not think much about the implications but would see the unfairness when it was before her eyes.
For both, it's just not an issue that women with male anatomy would dominate a sport, or that men with female anatomy wouldn't be able to compete in men's sport. Their first principle is that these individuals are what they say they are, and that their better or worse abilities are just like anyone's better or worse abilities.

It's the principle of self-identity that is the problem, as long as it is unchallenged it's not easy to make any headway.

I see a lot of people, even those arguing against things like males competing as women, or self-id, starting off by affirming the idea that we get to define our own identity. But - I think maybe that is something that needs to be challenged at a basic level.

I think the thing women have long argued about, is the fact that men's strength was seen as a 'better' than the myriad wonderful things women's bodies can do. Male privelege and all that. I can't remember ever hearing a woman say women are the equal strength of men. Just that strength alone should not be the measure of the best.

I realise this was a few pages back now, but I have absolutly heard this argued. When I was in middle school, there was a controversy here over women firefighters. The was absolutely a contingent of people saying that so long as women trained they were just as able to do jobs like this as men. It was particularly passed on in schools with the idea of encouraging girls to have a go at those jobs. I don't know if the people saying it really believed it, perhaps they were just trying to be encouraging.

"This surely would be proof that this ain't right to most people?"

I have a suspicion that many people are already aware of this, and are either to afraid to speak out, or worse still are getting their kicks out of seeing this happen.
You only have to look at the remarks made to respected ex athletes Sharron Davies, Martina N, Kelly Holmes, Paula Radcliffe, athletes who really know what they are talking about, are facing sheer hatred, awful comments.
The media doesn't help at all, often blurring the facts, loading every article with obfuscation, completely leaving out vital facts.

We need more Patricios to highlight the huge difference.

This surely would be proof that this ain't right to most people?

"Or is it much, much harder that way around?"

Much harder, Patricio is ranked 1136/1222 in the World Super Featherweight class, and 147/153 in the US.

boxrec.com/en/boxer/846760

..and is that one doing really well like Doc McK?

Or is it much, much harder that way around?

One?
Kind of proves the point.

Gets dogs abuse apparently. No awards for being stunning and brave. Men still don't like being beaten by 'a woman'.🙄

Patricio Manuel,

I believe that there is a f2m boxer who competes in the ring. A black swan though I suspect.

Btw, what argument do they come up with to explain why trans men (f2m) never compete with natural born men in sport?
For me this is the most obvious example of how the jig is rigged from the start and not just to do with the levels of testosterone at the time of competition.

If one of the top 700 players in the male pro tennis circuit were to transition they, would beat Serena Williams, the strongest, fastest female tennis player in the world today.
Perhaps it will take something like this to happen for this madness to be acknowledged for what it is.
At the rate men are transitioning womens individual sports will be dead in a generation.

DH shocked, he thought I was 100% female, particularly after giving birth 3 times. How wrong was he?! Still loves me though

thirdfiddle I beat you. Hair Styled female 0, Ears pierced 1, Nails painted 0, Correct anatomy 1. Yaaay, 50% female!

Hair Styled female 0 (it's not even styled)
Ears pierced 0
Nails painted 0
Correct anatomy 1
Do I score 25% female? Or does the anatomy bit not count for points?

Its almost like lived experience of being a woman and how that affects our place in society means nothing.

'Feeling' like a woman and having your sodding hair styled means nothing.

You have not been brought up as a girl/woman in a patriarchy. You benefited from your maleness all those years, whilst it shaped us into the women we actually are.

No man will ever know what it is like to be a woman whether he gets his bits chopped off or not.

‘100 percent female. I get my hair styled female. Ears pierced, nails painted....”

Well that’s that settled then, God forbid we allow any minor details to get in the way:

‘...I don’t have the correct anatomy.’

FloralBunting: I am very mindful of those who read and absorb what goes on here. And do you know why that leads me to point out obvious MRA and other Anti-woman Activists? Because women need to know they don't have to cossett that kind of oppressive git and can quite legitimately tell them to go away and stop wasting time....

As a new lurker I THANK YOU FB - and I’m ashamed to say I’d never even heard of MRA and didn’t know it was a thing before reading this board. I am learning a lot of stuff I should have known already and I’m very grateful to you and other posters here for calling a spade a spade!

Gregory competed uncontested

Is this usual? In all nine events?

Perhaps I should have said testosterone results in greater muscle mass etc rather than using the word ‘men’. Not sure anymore.

Men have greater muscle mass, stronger tendons and ligaments, larger lung capacity and probably cardiac output, denser stronger bones etc.
But sure, it’s all fair .

I was banned elsewhere for posting this.

Posting what? This OP?

I was banned elsewhere for posting this.

However, I don’t have the correct anatomy does not square with anatomy that used to be considered, um, male.

"I don’t have the correct anatomy" means "I know that my anatomy is not female anatomy."