Rape victims must hand over phone or police won't pursue crime

Yes, that's the optimistic viewpoint. And obviously the women here want justice for rape victims, which is one of the reasons why there is work to improve a system which fails and damages women time and again.

I will, of course, support any woman who chooses to report and go through that system. But I can certainly understand why there are women like Jessica Eaton who advise women to seek alternative measures to find healing because why should rape victims have to go through an extremely flawed system that may well damage them on a personal level for the purpose of seeking justice if a)the justice may never come and b) they will actually suffer even more in the process.

However, hard work is done everyday on behalf of victims and they do get justice.

Except 94% don't.

And that's what needs to be addressed. The non reporting is a direct result of the lack of convictions.

It's extraordinary to me that rape myths persist. They are so easy to disprove.

I can understand reluctance. However, I just don't like or understand the underlying attitude on here that there is no point in reporting a rape, it's basically legal and they would advise friends family not to bother etc.

I think it's dangerous. Of course there are issues with the system but letting more rapists go free isn't the answer.

There is never a guarantee of conviction and if I'm honest the whole criminal justice process isn't easy. It's invasive, it's long it's out of the comfort zone of most people. However, hard work is done everyday on behalf of victims and they do get justice.

It's less about telling women not to bother, and more about pointing out why women are reluctant.

The conviction rate is something ridiculous like 6%. Because rape myths are ingrained.

Far better to address WHY people think knickers are relevant, then criticise women for knowing they're relevant.

So because the conviction rate is low we should advise all women not to report it. 2000 + charges last year 900 convictions. Should those women been advised not to bother?

Considering how low the conviction rate is, thats a crock.

The attitude on here from so called feminists is troubling. Thousands of rapists are charged every year, hundreds sent to jail. Victims receive justice every year, everyday. This should be highlighted and those victims who receive justice, should be heard.

Don’t come on to a feminist board and refer to women here as ‘so-called feminists’, how fucking rude and uncalled for. What unfeminist-y things have we done?

Have you been raped and had to report a sexual assault? Ever had a bad experience? Unless you have, you don’t have a clue why women on here won’t report rape.

What now the vast majority of rapes were not reported, even before all this.

There is a reason for that. Women are not stupid.

Langrish rate of false reporting for sex offences is similar to other crimes.

Some I bet it is more eg people lying about what was stolen when car broken into. For the insurance.

This is not raised for other crimes, ever, really.

It's an excuse.

Until all women in the world are reliable and honest, no women can be trusted.

This is not said of men even though when it comes to crime, they are far more likely to offend than women, esp violent crime, and most sex offences are committed by men, by some margin.

The focus is always on what women are doing wrong.

Like I say, victim blaming is embedded.

Northern Ireland is part of the uk

In case anyone is not aware of that :/

The attitude on here from so called feminists is troubling. Thousands of rapists are charged every year, hundreds sent to jail. Victims receive justice every year, everyday. This should be highlighted and those victims who receive justice, should be heard.

The comparison to Burglary is bogus. Burglary isn't investigated, you will never see a Police officer, you will get a crime number over the telephone or by letter and that will generally be it. The insurance companies delve deeper. It's not the way we should investigate something as serious as rape.

There is a great documentary on the Serious Sexual Offences Unit in Greater Manchester Police on the Iplayer. I suggest people who would encourage others not to report their rape, watch it, and see the hardwork done by the Police in pursuit of justice.

Just one example from this week of a rapist being jailed and justice being served.

www.crawleynews24.co.uk/three-bridges-rapist-jailed/

Mummaofmytribe

Fucking awful. Simply so it can be said "oh look, she sent him all these friendly messages so what happened was obviously consensual. Throw the case out"
It makes my blood boil”

It’s not that simple though, there are various scenarios where such evidence is extremely relevant. Liam Whatever (can’t remember his surname ..) was cleared because of his accuser’s subsequent text messages to friends, where she had apparently painted a very different picture of the event in question. As I understand it she only later reported as rape after he showed no further interest in her.

Personally, I would have no objection to my phone being trawled. I’m boring and it would probably just put the investigating officer to sleep. I appreciate lots of people will feel very differently for very legitimate reasons. I would expect the accused’s phone to be taken too though.

I suspect many investigations are still failing victims of sexual crimes even now because a tiny minority of people make false accusations. Such behaviour helps no-one, least of all victims of assault and rape, and people found guilty of it should face the full force of the law and be named too, along with convicted rapists.

Are we talking about the case in The Republic of Ireland last year?

Wasn't the case heard at Belfast Crown Court ? I dare say that the CPS equivalent in NI has a different name, but didn't want to over-complicate matters. Sorry for the confusion.

Ref the Knickers case, which was f*cking appalling...

Are we talking about the case in The Republic of Ireland last year?

I think it's important to recognise that that happened, abroad - in another country, subject to different laws.

Seeing comments like: "the evidence of the knickers was probably introduced by the CPS"

It certainly had nothing to do with the CPS.... because its a different country.

#justsaying

As long as you don't beat them to shit or kill them as well, sometimes that's fine too though. Rough sex innit the girls all love it these days, shame they're so fragile.

In reality it is legal to rape girls and women between about 14 and 60.

That's the truth.

It would be more honest to legalise.

Sawdust I disagree.

People don't care.

This is evidenced time and time and time again.

Rotherham
Savile
Children's homes
Recent revelations about various charities
Public perception surveys (asking for it)
Warboys
Etc etc

People think they care. But actually. No they don't. Only in extreme cases is there real outrage.

Saw a woman say yesterday that those 2 men who see a courtroom per year (this does not mean conviction either, far from it) should be priority over all else.

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Also note the letter the cps man thinks is balanced feels its 'regrettable' if this move puts victims off reporting, but will worth it.

Saw a woman say yesterday that it is better for those 2 men who see a courtroom per year (this does not mean conviction either, far from it) should be priority over all else. As there is nothing worse than being falsely accused of a crime. I shit you not

I still can't get over the case where girl was persuaded on Watsapp to send topless pic to man. She was 13 or 14 I think.

Told mum went to police, they told her they would have to consider prosecuting her for sex offence of sharing images of child.

MN at time loads of women said this was great :/

No mention anywhere of the police even thinking about looking for the man.

MN who thought it was good, also none of them, hardly anyone seemed to pick up that the man was a criminal, probably doing this to other girls, maybe they should look into him.

Victim blaming is entirely embedded in our culture when it comes to sex offences.

Of course people care - and also the desire for a fair trial is very strong.

There needs to be a total rethink on sex offences, sadly no one really cares. The victims include children and men so you'd think they might, but I suppose the desire to protect the majority who commit rape, not 'rape rape' (to quote whoopieholdberg) is very strong.

Note the response to that cps tweet is women shouting about all the men in prison after being falsely accused of rape :/

Also note the letter the cps man thinks is balanced feels its 'regrettable' if this move puts victims off reporting, but will worth it.

There is NEVER any consideration of, is there something we can do that works all round, something that is effective and proportionate.

Any burglary could be an insurance job. They are pretty common.

Of a burglar said the owner had asked them to burgle the house, wouldn't the police say, is there any evidence of that, and if the burglar said text messages then have a look?

Rather than going off immediately and confiscating potentially all electronics with communication capability immediately?

Are people who report burglaries immediately given a form to say they might have all their stuff taken for evidence and if they say no then police /cps are unlikely to proceed?