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The law on mixed sex toilets in schools

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Barracker · 28/04/2019 22:36

Can someone help with the specifics of this please?
I know the law requires separate sex loos in secondary schools (UK).
What I don't know is how many are specified to meet the requirements. I also don't know if mixed sex loos actually breach the requirements entirely, or if it's permissable to have some as long as the same sex provision is adequate.

My daughter's school provides some girl only loos within the sports changing rooms. Not easy to get to from the opposite end of the secondary school.
But
The MAIN loos in the school are like this:
An open plan room off a busy corridor. There's no door into this room it's just a large open 'foyer' space. Large bank of cubicles either side of a central washing area. The whole room is wide open to the corridor. You can be standing in the corridor, watching kids go in, choose a cubicle, come out, wash hands, leave. I've attached a pic of a similar set up except in my daughter's school the basins afford less privacy because there's no floor to ceiling barrier like on this pic.
You can hear, obviously.
The whole set up of the pic is visible from the busy corridor.
Boys use the left side of the bank of cubicles, girls the right, but they're all part of the same open plan room. They all wash together at the basins.

Now. Questions.

  1. Is it enough legally to provide a few compliant (and not very accessible) same-sex loos, whilst the major toileting facilities are mixed-sex as I've described? Or are there very specific ratios of numbers and accessibility of same sex provision?
  2. Is it even permissable at all to have a huge, primarily mixed sex set up as I've described? Completely open to the corridor?

Obviously it's a yuck situation but I would like to know more about the legislation and what specifically it dictates.

Thanks to anyone who knows and doesn't mind taking the time to explain specifics!

The law on mixed sex toilets in schools
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TheInebriati · 06/05/2019 12:16

I am really angry that so many schools and architects are disregarding the law.

If the toilets are mixed sex the basins are supposed to be inside self contained cubicles.
They are supposed to be in addition to single sex toilets which are easily accessible and must be provided. They are not optional.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719398/Gender-separation-guidance.pdf

FancyRibbon · 06/05/2019 12:06

Bearing in mind erratic periods when starting out- How are they meant to deal with washing out blood stained pants and drying them out under the hand drier to wear again, with boys around them?

AnonymousMugwumpery · 06/05/2019 12:04

How does the school suggest girls deal with sanitary products such as mooncups in such a set-up? Or even washing their hands after dealing with menstrual blood.

Presumably the same way as any other? You empty a mooncup down the toilet in the cubicle, not in the communal hand basins. You wipe it out with loo roll if needed. If you get blood on your hands, you wipe it off again using loo roll, or wipes if you carry them - you are going to get blood all over your clothes and the door handle if you don't en route to the basins! Basically - exactly the same as anywhere else. I am a moon cup user too, I have never either brought it into the public area of single sex loos or seen anyone else doing so. There may be issues with these loos but this isn't one of them.

S1naidSucks · 06/05/2019 12:00

Exactly what Vicky has said. The doors should be floor to dealing. I absolutely hate the fact that our children are being FORCED to lower their own personal barriers. It’s disgusting.

JaneEyreAgain · 06/05/2019 11:59

The floor to ceiling cubicles and doors that are lockable from the inside are both important.

The question is whether there are hand basins in the cubicles.

And I would also want to know if there are separate standing urinals, which I think there should not be .. but that doesn't relate to the law.

VickyEadie · 06/05/2019 11:56

If your daughter's school mixed sex toilets do not provide floor-to-ceiling cubicles complete with handwashing facilities, they're breaking the law on single-sex provision.

BumblingAlongNow · 06/05/2019 11:48

How does the school suggest girls deal with sanitary products such as mooncups in such a set-up? Or even washing their hands after dealing with menstrual blood. Is anyone actually engaging their brains anymore. I despair but I also am very hopeful that as soon as there is a legal challenge against institutions who are jeopardising the safety and dignity of girls we will all come together and support it, as per the ongoing Maya case.

FancyRibbon · 06/05/2019 10:34

Bump.

WhenIsTheEasyBit · 28/04/2019 22:51

Not commenting on rights or wrongs, and very strongly of the opinion that girls need their own toilets, away from boys. But I think a lot of new school builds had toilets open to corridors as students report that closed toilet areas are one of the places they feel vulnerable to bullying.

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