Trans Train

I'm a mother of a 21 year old ASD DD who is trans, currently on the waiting list for the gender clinic. And that documentary articulates everything that keeps me awake at night.

sarahwhitting
It breaks my heart that this government is allowing children like this to be targeted and lied to by trans lobby groups - especially in schools. Suspending safeguarding tor 'gender non conforming' children and pretending that they are able to consent when we know that they can't possibly understand the long term implications of the drugs, the breast binding etc.

There is definitely a feeling of not wanting to be "who I am" in these kids because of the hurt they feel, which reaches heart breaking intensities during the teenage years when belonging to a group is so important.

And it's bizarre how people who say to these kids that they're fine just as they are, are accused of advocating conversion therapy, while those who encourage them to have all sorts of irreversible treatment to change who they are, are supposedly the good guys who are helping them to be their true selves. It's insane.

Nauticant, I so agree with you. Non-conforming youngsters are a threat, and they are being conveniently neutralised and instrumentalised.

Now how can we as mothers tell our ostracised children that it is perfectly fine to be who they are? Because children who are different.... who are on the spectrum, who look different, who have hi IQs, an artistic sensitivity, who suffer from depression, who have rare interests/talents or any number of things..... children who are different are ostracised by most other children.

There is definitely a feeling of not wanting to be "who I am" in these kids because of the hurt they feel, which reaches heart breaking intensities during the teenage years when belonging to a group is so important.

Past generations just "stuck it out" until adulthood (physical and mental) set in and "being ostracised, weird or non-normal" became "being exceptional". What did teachers/parents do or not do back then that isn't happening now?

Please, please, please world, stop sterilising our children during the painful teenage years, even if they think they want it. There is a reason we do not let them vote or get tatoos or breast enhancement, nose jobs, etc. It doesn't mean we don't love them or have no regard for what they are going through. Its because we think they need to wait until the hurt calms down and they have the experience and knowledge to make good decisions for themselves. The vast majority of time, the hurt calms down with simple time.

Outanabout those Drs all give me the creeps. Reminiscent of the "guardian" in Girl with a Dragon Tattoo. A system which has been shown to be open to abuse.

I swing between wondering whether gender non-confirming people are perceived as a threat that needs to be neutralised or if they're an opportunity to be instrumentalised to push particular agendas. It's probably a bit of both.

What frightens me is the absurd ease with which these poor children (and they are children) are being permanently sterilised.

When is was a young women I was whole heartedly convinced I never ever wanted children - and genuinely would have opted to get sterilised if I could have done. In my late twenties I met my DH and accidentally fell pregnant- and (cliche alert) being a mum is the best thing I have ever done, and it makes me feel a sense of desperation that we are taking the choice of motherhood away from these girls before they have any idea of what it really means.

Did anyone else get chills at Olle Soder? 😣 there was something weirdly zombie like about him. I've seen more empathy in the eyes of a cat. He's at 31 minutes in or so. shudder

Bump. Thanks for posting this. This documentary needs to be shown on tv in the UK.

Goosefoot,

I think your key word for me is "deal with". "Dealing with" is a part of teenager growing up, and nothing new under the sun. Let me put my foot forward with the following statement....

The mass sterilisation of teenage, non-conforming women is a crime against humanity.

Whose agenda are we accomplishing here? I mean really, you can't get a tatoo, but you can volunteer for eliminating your own gene pool? WTF?

sarawhitting

I think suffering has always been one of the basic questions we have to deal with as human beings. It seems to impact us mentally and psychology in so many ways, and not all negative ways, either.

Culturally, we seem to have come to a place where we have no structure, or often no words, to think about suffering and meaning.

Does anybody else out there feel its spooky that there is a "never-say-no" policy for the sterilization of teenage women who are "suffering", i.e. not-conforming?

We need to have a serious talk about what it means to suffer in rich countries. Why is it suddenly wrong for teenagers to suffer, and dang, is that really suffering? Why when they say they are suffering, we feel the need to give in to their superficial delusions instead of something more profound?

Everyone should see this. It’s distressing but very important. All MPs should watch it.

There seems to be some pressure on the Swedish government to investigate this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3573435-Swedish-national-council-of-medical-ethics-recommends-Swedish-government-investigates-treatment-of-GD-youth-Hormone-treatment-suspended

"I really can't help but think there is a relationship between these things."

Doctors forgetting that their role is to heal and to ease suffering. Not create it or cause death.

I also think comfort with these physical interventions is affected by the increasing commonality of other cosmetic medical interventions.

Do you mean the acceptance of vanity cosmetic surgery? Because if so then I totally agree, and have been saying this for a while. Don't like how something looks? Pump it up, straighten it, enlarge it, reduce it. It's socially acceptable and aimed at the masses these days. It doesn't take much of a leap to end up here does it?

If the importance or need of 'bottom surgery' has decreased as much as it has/ with many choosing not to do this as the genitals don't define the gender, then why the hell are they not espousing the same in regards to hormones for children.

I think there are really distinct populations involved in this. People who are actually suffering old fashioned gender dysphoria seem like the least common ones. Others are the grown males for whom it is a sexual fetish, or a power thing. These guys seem to be the ones who often don't care about the most invasive stuff, though that's not always the case. Then the teen girls, who want the hormones because for tem it is often about escaping a female body. And then parents transing their young kids - I think that is largely about the parents, and they seem to invest a lot in the who medical transition element. I'd say the kids getting into queer theory and claiming to be non-binary and stuff are another group too, maybe less likely than the others to seek out interventions.

I also think comfort with these physical interventions is affected by the increasing commonality of other cosmetic medical interventions.

One group of doctors created the conditions of suffering then another group of doctors were on hand to provide the solution - death.

I really can't help but think there is a relationship between these things.

*They can detransition, but they can't go back to how they were.

I can't stop thinking about this. It's really horrific. They can't detransition, they can't go back to how they were. And they can't talk about it because the trans community will vilify them. Horrific.

I remember that story. So sad.

There's been a trans man in the news here talking about her regret as she knows she did it to escape the psychological impact of the abuse from her father as a child. Then realised she looked like her father. And that it wasn't the answer.

At least one transman has already killed themselves because their transition:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/10/03/belgian-trans-man-helped-to-die-after-failed-gender-reassignment-operations/

One group of doctors created the conditions of suffering then another group of doctors were on hand to provide the solution - death.

This film shows why all this is absolutely a feminist issue.

Does anyone else think there will be a spike in teen suicides from kids who do transition then realise this hasn't been the "cure" for their issues and they are now stuck in a steralised, medically induced body for the rest of their lives?

I would think this will be highly likely. It will probably really hit home around early 30's as their friends settle down and have children.