Straight men learning to "cope" with transwomen's bodies

This whole thing confuses me. Are they saying that men, straight men, should have to get used to/comfortable with/not be horrified by having sex with 'women' who still have penises or 'women' who at some point in their lives were men?

@DodoPatrol
Thank you.

Yes, User, though sometimes with artificial opposite-sex hormones or surgery involved for a somewhat feminized appearance.

Surgery might be genital or boobs only or face, but as I understand it, no bodily modification is needed for someone to be considered ‘trans’.

You have a nice day too Bespin

I don’t know any trans women at least I don’t think I do. Is a trans woman’s body just a mans body being called something else?

Well thats me told then. have a lovely day also thanks for thinking I'm younger than I am it's always nice to get a compliment lol

Bespin we already know that, thanks. Lou Reed 'married' a transwoman in the '70s, others dated them
That's not what is being discussed here though. Those people chose to be with transwomen, they didn't have to learn to 'cope' wjth them, because they were already attracted to transwomen. It was called being bisexual then, though not all bisexual men liked TW, some were only interested in masculine presenting men.
No need for the history lesson though, some of us have probably been around for a bit longer than you. It's simply about choice, not coercion.

to think that we are not concerned about this the thing that gets us killed the most in the world like other women disingenuous. I would much rather be fighting that and better health care provision than this day in day out.

I am always fascinated when you discover something that our community as discussed for years and years, and how you persive that we see it. some men have and will always be attracted to trans woman it is a large part of adult pornograpghy and trans woman around the world make up a percentage of sex workers so someone must be wanting them. Also culturly in other country's we are considered differently. if you look at the murder rate these are often sex workers or other trans woman in relationships with men and the stories that are around them are that people found out that the man like a trans woman and he killed them for it. see American examples of this, this topic as been one of our biggest concerns for all the years I can remeber, it comes up in the mainstream only when a famous man gets court with a trans woman see Hugh grant or Eddie Murphy. more recently that as been positive see keano reeves.

It is the law (sex by deception). Unsurprisingly Stonewall are campaigning against it.

Can anyone point me in the direction of Stonewall directly criticising the law?

Only that's straight lobbying.

How insanely narcissistic do you have to be to believe that your sexual partner should not selfishly wish for pleasure or attraction, merely force themselves to meet your needs with their body? That a sexual encounter is all about a subordinate's duty to service you?

Run a mile from someone who treats you like this, for fucks sake never get involved with them, never mind get into a bed with them. This is text book abusiveness combined with major personality disorder.

Yeah cannot see this being too widespread as yeah TRAs are ignorant on the whole and one track minded, however most are brighter than Zinnia. If you kep the pressure on the women, everything will be fine. Even TRAs realise that they would get nowhere with men.

start to trans peak en masse.

Straight men don't need to peak trans en masse, most of them are gender critical without even realising it's a thing.

Asked my husband, a lefty kind of guy who basically thinks that trans women are women, if he would go to bed with a trans woman with full male genitalia. Errr - no.

On that basis perhaps he should reassess his original premise.

Asked my husband, a lefty kind of guy who basically thinks that trans women are women, if he would go to bed with a trans woman with full male genitalia. Errr - no.

Zinnia is another peak trans sherpa

Their kiwi thread runs into hundreds of pages

The whole "it's just genitals" thing.

If it is just genitals, then men can stay in the men's facilities. It is just genitals after all.

Problem solved.

It is an interesting thing, isn't it?

Some straight men writing about this issue (Andrew Gilligan, James Kirkup etc) get accused of sexual fantasies about transwomen. Which rather tells you everything you need to know about who is doing the accusing.

Andrew Gilligan got flak for writing about Karen Jones last year. A few of the comments on Twitter were of the "Clearly, you are fantasising about transwomen in prison, you really want to see them naked, don't you?", that kind of thing.

And Edward Lord accused Gilligan of having a fetish about transgenderism.

And some males who identify as women and are attracted to males, seem utterly convinced that the reason that they don't get straight men interested in them is because of the social taboo (which can be overcome in time). And not that straight men don't want biological males as sexual partners. The transwomen cannot set demands, because they are lower down the gender hierarchy than straight men.

But women who write about transgenderism (whatever their sexual orientation) never get accused about fantasising about transgender people. Quite the reverse, they are told (particularly lesbians) that they should be fantasising about transgender people, but only the male ones of course.

Straight women are not routinely being told that they need to include men with vaginas as sexual partners. Because these men with vaginas are female, lower down the gender hierarchy, and don't get to set sexual demands. Or any other demands for that matter.

Demonstrates the power hierarchy, doesn't it?

Everywhere you look, it is about men setting sexual demands.

If you look at Zinnia Jones twitter feed you'll see lots of porn selfies.

Zinnia Jones' comment about 'dealing with it' is very reminiscent of dear Rachel McKinnon's 'coping just fine'. So nice that these two have such a low bar for sexual partners' enjoyment.

That Twitter thread is illuminating. Hundreds of comments from men saying wtf dude and no replies. One woman saying straight men prefer real actual women and she's jumped on for being 'mean'

IIRC there were lots of men saying things like "yeah, and lesbians should have to sleep with men too in that case". Well done, that's what these people have been saying for ages!

I think it should be made law you have to tell any sexual partners you are transgender

It is the law (sex by deception). Unsurprisingly Stonewall are campaigning against it.

That Twitter thread is illuminating. Hundreds of comments from men saying wtf dude and no replies. One woman saying straight men prefer real actual women and she's jumped on for being 'mean'