In general, what do you feel about The LGBT Foundation using a 'gender fluid' person to promote lesbian visibility day?

That's why I said 'they feel they are women'

If women can't tell someone what being a woman feels like then I'm damn sure a man cant. But oh it's all about feeling fragile and small and giggly. Maybe throw a bit of sassy in there. All the ridiculous stereotypes we wanted to throw off but they're reinforcing again

It's astounding how many men have insisted that they are included in lesbianism where by very definition they are and should be excluded. I cannot understand why others cannot see this. The emporer has no clothes, for petes sake.

Prequelle
I get that they feel they are women
They don't though because that's impossible. They feel something, sure, but it isn't a woman.

If this person really is a 'lesbian' in the way they believe the word lesbian to mean, then surely this person will also be attracted to XY people fully endowed, who identify as lesbians, too.

Or, let me guess, this person is attracted to women. As in, they do actually know the difference between males and females and understand same-sex and opposite sex attraction... Amiright...

Why is it okay for people - who have largely lived and experienced life as male, benefited from the privilege of being male and never had to deal with what girls and women do growing up - to define what being a woman is and. I get that they feel they are women, so be humble and respect the experience that we have as women instead of trying to dominate womanhood, erase our lived experiences and associations of womanhood, and rewrite our history. Maybe learn from us instead of riding roughshod over us, with this 'like it or lump it transphobe' attitude.

"in general' I think it's absolutely shocking that Lesbian Day of Visibility is being represented by someone with xy chromosomes.

And "in general" I am deeply disappointed that your original thread was deleted.

I’m a heterosexual female, that was very happily married to a wonderful man and I’m so sorry that lesbians are being bullied, harassed, gaslighted and bullied into having sex with those people with penises, or risk being called bigots, transphobes, etc.

As a actual woman with all the same sexual organs as you, other women, the nearest I can relate to your distress is the thought that I may be in a vulnerable medical situation and ask for female only medical staff (I do this because MEN have sexually assaulted and abused me in the past) I may then have a person of the sex that is born with and retains their penis for sexual pleasure, arrive to treat me and expect to be included when I asked for a woman. They may claim all they like that that they are none men (I refuse to use the term that is for those people with FEMALE sexual organs to describe those with a penis) as I don’t see them as such and would feel under threat. The very thought revolts me and angers me in equal measures.

I’m so sorry for you, my lovely lesbian sisters, aunts, mothers, daughters and friends. I hope there is some comfort for you that we, the heterosexual females know what REAL lesbian women are and we support you. 💐

It's not hate speech to say that a man cannot be a lesbian. Men can't change sex and lesbians are women who have sex with other women of the same sex. That excludes queer, non binary, gender fluid, trans or bog standard people born with penises.

It's just bizarre that we can't say that someone who is clearly visibly male cannot and will never be a lesbian. Is that why the first thread got deleted?

HQ I’m pretty disappointed by this deletion. Speaking about female homosexuality is not hate speech.

These days there are constant attacks on lesbians - silencing, gas-lighting and “transwomen are more oppressed than you.” GNC women, including lesbians, have one of the worst suicide stats.

In the spirit of supporting other women and mums (ie please don’t delete this) - for everyone’s mental health, if you have not done so yet join reddit / gender critical.

You are allowed to speak about homosexuality there.

A lesbian is a homosexual human female.

We see you! In the good sense of the phrase

Can't possibly think what you mean rufus

It's also interesting that women who become 'trans men' largely stay quiet and just get on with it. Whereas men who think they are women still have the ingrained need for power and domination over women. Going so far as to think they get to define what being a woman, lesbian etc is.

It is isnt it prequelle

Used to be a name for the sexuality of people with a penis who enjoyed sexual relationships with people with a vagina

What was it now...its on the tip of my tongue

so glad I don't do twitter

Also if this person is gender fluid, does that mean that on some days they're also a gay man? Are they going to put themselves forward as the figurehead for that too? Anything for attention right

Any man who calls himself a lesbian shows no respect for women's right to single sex spaces and single sex communities.
I will never respect these men.

Sorry, that should say 'lesbians' not lesbians. Because they're not lesbians.

Isn't it interesting just how many 'trans women' are lesbians.

Thank absolute i have attempted to cover the waterfront with that sentence

Was a whole lot easier when i could just say a 'woman who shags women'

Well said Rufus

The person representing lesbians on lesbian visibility day should be a female human that has sex exclusively with other female humans

The end

What the alphabet soup lot are doing to lesbians gives me the rage. It used to be that lesbians got hassle from het people. Now fucking Stonewall are bullying them. They're told they're bigots by their own community. It must really hurt.

I saw umpteen carefully curated selfies of men who identify as lesbians claiming the day for themselves on Twitter today. Are they totally unaware how invasive, how appropriative they are? Maddening.

I'm not a lesbian (I know this because I have a vagina and I am solely into penis).

Lesbians are women who love women - it's as simple as that. A male cannot become a woman however they identify. A male cannot be a lesbian.

Homo and heterosexuality are exclusionary. Get over it.

New Stonewall slogan?

My aunt spent her whole life hiding who she was. She was born in 1918.
Absolutely disgusted that we cannot say what a lesbian is in 2019.

We have all fallen down the rabbit hole 🤨

I think lesbianism is eroticised by men, and therefore sadly, it’s being particularly plundered for masculinist kicks. Not sure if I’m allowed to say that or not 😕

💐 for you OP and 🍷
The deeper irony I guess is that the fantasy they are getting off on is female lesbians, not the ladydick kind. Stay strong OP 😊 Everyone knows exactly what a lesbian really is x

I look forward to one of the Mumsnet genderfree community being the representative of Trans Day of Visibility.

At least the genderfree actually fit the description they claim to fit!