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I’m not going to debate with you about the reality of biological sex

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 23/04/2019 22:27

"I’m not going to debate with you about the reality of biological sex, for the same reason I wouldn’t stand on the train platform debating the finer points of physics while the man on the tracks is ground into bits. Not because your position is unassailable. Because even bringing it up makes you an asshole."

medium.com/@JonahMix/an-open-letter-to-the-guy-on-twitter-who-wonders-if-biological-sex-is-real-58d2cb4403f5?fbclid=IwAR3FtdA1Gn7VkX0CU13Pmx0Za5Xx0uc_qomiysc09Nia_xSdpn2SBYtBqhY

Read it, share it, let it warm your heart.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/04/2019 07:37

coyo

I agree, orchid isnt talking about jonah

AlwaysComingHome · 25/04/2019 00:24

My time is limited. I don’t debate flat earthers, creationists or anyone peddling woo. I might demolish their beliefs for the benefit of onlookers but I can’t change the minds of people with a strong preference for bullshit.

OrchidInTheSun · 24/04/2019 23:35

I'm not talking about Jonah Coyoachan Smile

Coyoacan · 24/04/2019 23:33

Oh OrchidInTheSun, how sad that you aren't interested in any man's point of view. Jonah is one of my favourite people on twitter as he is also staunchly anti-prostitution. And I've only just discovered he is a man.

FloralBunting · 24/04/2019 23:08

Well it's just such a false equivalence, isn't it? Like comparing someone explaining that something has been categorically proven time and again so they will not need to run over it again to be sure, with a toddler sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "I can't hear you!!"

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 24/04/2019 22:44

To me this is less "no debate" and more "when someone hands you their shit you don't have to take it".

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FloralBunting · 24/04/2019 22:27

Ah. Just caught up elsewhere. I see.

I will proffer my very first MN Biscuit then.

OrchidInTheSun · 24/04/2019 19:26

Indeed it is Bernard!

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 24/04/2019 19:02

it's always nice to get timely feedback when you're holding opinions incorrectly isn't it Orchid? most helpful

OrchidInTheSun · 24/04/2019 18:51

This seems rather appropriate at this juncture

I’m not going to debate with you about the reality of biological sex
ChattyLion · 24/04/2019 18:04

I agree it’s a whole other ballgame not debating established facts (like ‘humans only come in two sexes determined at conception’) vs not debating political beliefs or feelz (like ‘everyone else has to accept that I am whatever I say I am, whatever the personal cost to themselves*)

Everyone can draw their personal line on what’s up for debate.. but actually if in general we all started debating with flat-earthers about whether we live on a globe or not, every time they reasserted that the horizon looks very flat to them.. what would it add- and at what point would it start to make crackpot theories start to look equally weighted to objective facts?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 24/04/2019 17:59

paid more, raped less

yes, that caught my eye too

Absolutepowercorrupts · 24/04/2019 17:11

paid more, raped less
Bit of a nutshell there, scuse the terminology

FloralBunting · 24/04/2019 16:24

the reality that no-one with XY chromosomes and a penis can be a woman needs more than "You're an arsehole if you think otherwise" - it's the equivalent of a child throwing a paddy.

Really? Saying a whole weight of scientific examination over hundreds of years backing up a demonstrable, repeatable, provable reality of a sexually dimorphic humanity is not up for 'debate' is the same as aggressively misogynistic, sexist pseuds pontificating that 'woman' is just a vague feeling in a male's head and refusing to listen to anyone pointing out they are wrong?

Pull the fucking other one.

ADropofReality · 24/04/2019 16:13

I loathe and despise "#nodebate" when it's used by TRAs to shut down argument, and I expect better from someone who's meant to be one of the good guys.

Radical environmentalist, anti-humanist, pro-feminist. Abolish whiteness, abolish manhood, abolish this illegitimate settler nation.

Oh, sorry, what was I saying, "good guys"? This twat is more moronically woke than those he's supposedly arguing against. Get a grip, people, the reality that no-one with XY chromosomes and a penis can be a woman needs more than "You're an arsehole if you think otherwise" - it's the equivalent of a child throwing a paddy.

FloralBunting · 24/04/2019 14:53

That's an excellent article. I do enjoy a man losing patience with his fellow men being self serving wankers.

Plus, yes, Galaxy Quest is magnificent. Sigourney Weaver looking at a ridiculous death trap escape route, in what has been thus far a fun, reasonably family friendly movie, and saying "Fuck that!" is one of my all time favourite bits of film.

Moralitym1n1 · 24/04/2019 14:22

Isn’t it odd that sex was never so complicated before? There was nothing ethereal about biology when it came to allocating the right to vote, or own property, or walk down the street at night without fear.

Would add to that - when it came to needing offspring for inheritance, gene propogation etc.; there was also no "confusion" about who was female.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 24/04/2019 13:32

That was a great article, thanks for posting it

SophoclesTheFox · 24/04/2019 13:22

Love the article. I used to read Jonah’s blog years ago, but he deleted the whole thing, which was a pity. He’s a real, proper feminist ally and I’m glad to see his writing is as good as ever. Cookies for Jonah!

JessicaWakefieldSV · 24/04/2019 08:48

Really good article!

StopThePlanet · 24/04/2019 04:20

Great article - read it when posted on FWR previously, I have it bookmarked! Good one to share again and again! Grin

Galaxy Quest, yes you must watch it!

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 23/04/2019 23:03

Thanks Lang

ChattyLion yes, yes you do, it's compulsory.

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ChattyLion · 23/04/2019 22:47

Do I really have to watch Galaxy Quest?

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 23/04/2019 22:47

Love this.

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