AMA Trans thread got me thinking about the terms cis/trans...

‘Woman’ suits me fine
‘A fucking real woman’ may also work if in comparison to a person who doesn’t have the biology yet insisted that they are ‘woman’.

Saying they have periods does not mean they do. And again, if a medical practitioner does not know that they should lose their license to practice.

Which is why it worries me that some doctor will say that transwomen are women. They simply cannot really believe it but they will swear blind they do.

As a chemist I do use cis and trans. They mean two different configurations of constituents on a double bond - exactly the same bits but differently and (usually) non-interconvertible. They are different chemical species which have different properties.

OP - I only knew of cis as opposed to trans because of studying Latin and Classics and coming across cisalpine Gaul and transalpine Gaul. Never knew about the scientific use of it.

@StopThePlanet
thanks. I will. I have tried to say the same thing, only not as precisely as you have put it.

I have said that the Latin and scientific use of 'trans' is nothing at all to do with 'transition'.
Therefore trying to use 'cis' as some opposite form of trans is just goblidigook.

I prefer your breakdown. ✊🏻💗

Precision in language is important. I am uneasy with "cis" but haven't been able to put my finger on why

For me, it's about the word woman.

Transwoman means male woman,
Cis woman means female woman

Therefore what does woman mean?

I did laugh when reading it after posting though

The only reason your gender would be worth noting is so that the doctor can refer to you as Mr, Miss or Mrs to your face.

Out of earshot they probably call you ‘the prolapse in bed 3.’

Saying they have periods does not mean they do. And again, if a medical practitioner does not know that they should lose their license to practice.

And that makes the point doesn’t it? Why do you think a transwomen who says they have periods wants a word to define themselves as something different than women?

Well there are some transwomen who say they have periods.........

If trans people won't tell medical professionals what their biological sexual is then they're pretty dim. I tell them my medical history because it's relevant.

This. Do you think if a transman went into the ER hemorrhaging from their uterus they would just neglect to mention at admissions that they are biologically a woman? I am guessing not, and if they did they are being ridiculous.

LarryGreysonsDoor

If a man who identifies as a woman presents at the hospital with abdominal pains and medical practitioners can’t rule or that they don’t need a pregnancy test by very fact they are men then they should be stripped of their licenses.

The problem now is transwomen don’t want to have to show up and say “I am a transwoman”. They want to say they are women. I’ve seen them even say they are a biological female. It does not matter what women call themselves, as men will want to call themselves it as well. I don’t think women should had to modify the word woman for themselves at all.

The word to differentiate from ‘woman’ is ‘man’.

If trans people won't tell medical professionals what their biological sexual is then they're pretty dim. I tell them my medical history because it's relevant.

Cis: same
Trans: opposite

Ciswoman = same thing as a woman = woman (cis is redundant)
Transwoman = opposite thing to a woman (man)

"For example, a woman presents at the hospital with abdominal pains, they need to be able to explain why it’s not worth checking if they are pregnant."

All they'd need to say is, "actually I'm biologically male?" As in "I'm biologically related to so and so but we don't awknowledge it".

‘Cis’ is an ideologically loaded term associated with shame. If you said ‘I’m cis and I’m proud of it’ they’d lose their shit.

This.

There needs to be a word to differentiate from women

There is. It’s three letters long and begins with ‘m’.

People don’t present as the other sex; they present as the other gender. They’ve even conceded this point by rebranding themselves transgender instead of transsexual.

I don’t feel the need to refer to myself two-legs when I’m talking to somebody with none. In fact, that would be bloody rude.

And you can bet that if I kept reminding somebody who is trans that I’m ‘cis’ - and didn’t do it in a grovelingly apologetic manner - they’d flip out over it.

‘Cis’ is an ideologically loaded term associated with shame. If you said ‘I’m cis and I’m proud of it’ they’d lose their shit.

Exactly. So that person needs to be able to say ‘I can’t be pregnant, I am a transwoman’. There needs to be a word to differentiate from women.

Larry - if a woman presents at hospital with abdominal pains, they need t rule out pregnancy. If they are a transwoman they are a man so can't get pregnant

But, Always, there does need to be a term for people who were born as one sex but present as the other.
For example, a woman presents at the hospital with abdominal pains, they need to be able to explain why it’s not worth checking if they are pregnant.

Some people are trans and we need to be able to say that, however I don’t think that I need to be called cis. Just ‘a woman’ will do.
By labelling like this we create barriers.