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Fantastic reddit rant

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whatsthecomingoverthehill · 17/04/2019 11:45

So nice to see in another forum. The comments are well worth reading too.

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Mumminmum · 22/04/2019 16:17

Good rant and good comments.

StrangeLookingParasite · 22/04/2019 13:52

Yes, I thought that too, no doubt a barrage of take this down, it hurts muhfeels.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 18/04/2019 02:44

reminder that this sub is for people to talk about things that others may find distasteful without it being removed

Haha, first comment showing for me appears to be mods telling TRAs that no, they will not silence this woman. Soz mate.

Grimbles · 17/04/2019 21:48

#jesuisu/justwanttobepretty Wine

LizzieSiddal · 17/04/2019 21:46

I loved this comment-

Ya'll can fuck off with your perception of my language. I mean no offence, take no offence.

ThePankhurstConnection · 17/04/2019 21:36

Randy shouty and sweaty

Childishly amused by your autocorrect littlbrowndog.

I thought the rant was very good - a kind of synopsis of what most well intentioned people have been through with this ideology.

Erythronium · 17/04/2019 21:27

The best thing is the TRAs did it to her themselves:

I want to make any characters I want without people shitting on me with comments like "you only make cis girls!!!!" or "what do you mean your lesbian character doesn't date people with penises???????"

They couldn't be happy that they had a supporter and ally, they had to keep harassing her to achieve total submission, and look what happened - they created a Terf! Their tactics are rubbish.

FingonTheValiant · 17/04/2019 21:25

Lamaha I love that! We should put that on posters!

JaneEyreAgain · 17/04/2019 21:21

THERE'S NO REASON THAT A PERSON CAN'T DEFY TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES. That's not a mental illness, that's not a sign that a woman wants to be a man, that's not even remotely remarkable or special or rare! That's called a FUCKING PERSONALITY!

Ra ra ra!!! So true! I love this statement!

Lamaha · 17/04/2019 21:01

I read this on Twitter today:

A woman is a someone with a female body and any personality, not someone with a female personality and any body.

And that's about it, really. Pithy and true.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 17/04/2019 19:10

Oh my god, it’s like this person has read my mind or had a parallel life/experience. I thought of myself, proudly, as a liberal for so long. I had known a trans family friend since I was little and then had friends who were in the drag scene and trans later in life. None of them were like today’s activists, who I listened to and tried to please/be kind initially. But it is impossible and the demands just felt like more male coercive control and sometimes outright hatred of women! I loved this rant!

NoSquirrels · 17/04/2019 18:39

if you ask me, there is nothing credible about gender dysphoria because THERE'S NO REASON THAT A PERSON CAN'T DEFY TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES. That's not a mental illness, that's not a sign that a woman wants to be a man, that's not even remotely remarkable or special or rare! That's called a FUCKING PERSONALITY!

Personality goes a long way, baby.

InionEile · 17/04/2019 17:48

Sounds to me like the TRA fad will go the way of gluten intolerance: very fashionable among the professionally neurotic and celebs for a few years but in another couple of years it will be passé.

I say that as a coeliac who had to put up with every neurotic fool on the street telling me they were ‘sensitive to gluten’ whole chowing down on some rye bread for a while there. Lots of restaurants jumped on the bandwagon, which was nice for me for a while to get broader choices of places to eat out but I notice a lot of places in my area are no longer advertising gluten-free on their menus and some people now roll their eyes at me when I say I can’t eat gluten, assuming I didn’t get the memo about that not being cool or interesting anymore. I think it’ll be the same with transgender people soon. There will still be genuine transgender people with real dysphoria who go through full transition and all the struggles that entails (‘truscum’ in the TRA parlance) but the blue-haired, anime obsessed types and the middle-aged men who like wearing flowery blouses and high heels will have moved on to something else.

Well, at least I hope so...

stillathing · 17/04/2019 17:36

Ahhhh what a great read! Not a trillion miles from lots of our experiences too I bet.

littl hope you're enjoying your randy sweaty Wednesday afternoon.

pachyderm · 17/04/2019 17:33

Lamaha reminds me of a certain little king of the woke columnists wondering why young women journos agreed with him (the handmaids of the Grauniad) but the old bitter crones didn't - kind of provided the answer to his own question!

KatvonHostileExtremist · 17/04/2019 17:09

Ooooft that woman peaked so hard.

TRAs are obnoxious. And slowly but surely the scales are dropping from people's eyes.

Good to see all the rate ups.

Lamaha · 17/04/2019 17:04

One thing I've noticed: TRAs loathe older women. Because we see the bs at once and are not sentimental about their hurty feelz. Especially if we have raised children!

It's the young ones they go after: female uni students anxious to please, who hide their own insecurity about themselves behind a mask of brashness. We oldies have seen it all, been there, done that, came out the other side!

LangCleg · 17/04/2019 16:38

This is why younger women need a community with older women

So true. Single sex, multi generational spaces raise consciousness.

Which is exactly why they're being attacked.

FromDespairToHere · 17/04/2019 16:21

Brilliant piece. I've saved it to read the comments when I have time too.

PlasmaRain · 17/04/2019 15:46

AlwaysTawnyOwl '‘preferred pronouns"?

Come on now. Tsk tsk. Clearly you missed the comment where it was pointed out that 'preferred' is no longer, well, preferred - it's just 'my pronouns' now!

Do try and keep up, dear. Wink

CallMeWoman · 17/04/2019 15:38

Thanks for sharing, op. Grinning ear to ear.

nauticant · 17/04/2019 15:35

This is why younger women need a community with older women who have done the domestic abuse relationships and have the t shirts, who know about narcissism, male violence, abusive personalities, about learning to have boundaries and enough self esteem and life experience to say back the hell off, you do not get to treat me this way.

The atomisation of society into more narrowly defined groups, accelerated by social media, works very effectively at keeping girls and young women away from women with broader experience. While at the same time enables the JY types to find a home in these narrow groups.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 17/04/2019 15:32

It's got more than 10,000 up arrows so far, 2300 comments, is on r/popular. I'd say that's doing pretty well in terms of reach!

It is also a very different forum to here or the mainstream press.

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cattycattycat · 17/04/2019 15:32

It would be great if this were more widely read.

I agree so shared it on Facebook...

Michelleoftheresistance · 17/04/2019 15:27

And definitely grateful for the clear separation of sex dysphoria and gender dysphoria. I agree. Every sympathy for anyone suffering any form of body dysphoria, anorexia included. Gender dysphoria - you're right, it doesn't exist. Because anyone of any sex can make choices of any colours, toys, hobbies, clothes, personal appearance, names etc they like, unless you're bent on stuffing people in stereotypical boxes and labelling them. And really, why would you want to do that?