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trying too hard to be gender neutral

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PickleFish · 15/04/2019 16:50

Just been reading guidance linked to from the D of E website (under campcraft) for dealing with periods on expeditions - all incredibly gender neutral and inclusive, "people with periods" not girls/women, etc, and asking that if the information is copied, the language remain gender neutral, as "not everyone with periods presents as female", etc. Fair enough.

www.theoutdoorspeople.com/blog/2017/3/22/expedition-information-for-people-who-have-periods

But then they say that pupils might not feel comfortable discussing periods with "someone who identifies as male". Surely that shows that they've not even thought it through, and have just gone through replacing every time they wanted to say 'man' or 'male' with 'identifies as male'. If I were a teenage girl going on an expedition, the last person I'd want to discuss periods with is actually someone who 'identifies as female'. I'd like a woman, regardless of presentation. Or if I really had to, a man, one who wasn't pretending to know what being a female was like. This is one case where they actually need a proper word for someone with the biology that means they have periods, and identification has nothing to do with it.

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BiscuitDrama · 15/04/2019 17:20

Ooh I think ‘presents’ is actually helpful in that context. It’s closer to ‘being’ than ‘identifies as’. I think?

PickleFish · 15/04/2019 17:18

and i got the quote slightly wrong - it's that they might not feel comfortable discussing them with someone who 'presents as a male', not 'identifies as'. Bizarre. 'Presenting as a female' is completely not necessary for me to want to discuss periods with them. 'Being a female', on the other hand, would be quite helpful.

Reaching for the gin, indeed.

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JamB4cream · 15/04/2019 17:11

I agree the language is unnecessarly clumsy and could cause confusion.

I was surprised to just read a BBC article about Period Poverty that used women and girls (apart from one use of learners) entirely

BBC News - All Welsh schools to get free sanitary products
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-47883449

BadPennyNoBiscuit · 15/04/2019 17:10

There had to be a point where the person writing that realised it was complete tripe and reached for the secret bottle of gin in their desk drawer.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 15/04/2019 17:10

Balldemort creeps into my mind after reading that.

Doesn't I.D as male so fine for "people with periods" aka women, to talk to. Shudder.

DD1 was on her period during DoE expedition. I think it was worse there was no bushes or trees to hide in for a wee so she didn't drink enough and ended up with a headache. Still enjoyed the challenge though.

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