trying too hard to be gender neutral

Makes you wonder if all this rubbish is just aimed at making lots of money. Training, raising awareness, advising, fundraising, producing publications etc. These all create employment and generate funds.

The links in the TRA web continue to be revealed. So many are making an excellent living from selling these “training” services to Councils, the NHS, police etc

This is ridiculous (and similar to the ridiculousness put out by Scouts and Guides).

It suggests that expedition leaders should not know the sex of the young people they are responsible for, only their 'gender identity'.

That is dangerous (what if there is a medical emergency?).

Most obviously if an expedition leader notices a girl (female...) has a patch of blood seeping through her trousers, that is likely to be one kind of minor situation involving sparing embarrassment, whereas if a boy (a male boy....) is bleeding from the crotch that is a whole different kind of emergency.

I ask because DH is very involved with DofE and doesn't think this fits with their ethos.

The National's Stephen Paton (who has provided such a glowing endorsement of Emma's training) has been actively attacking Joan McAlpine & TransgenderTrend this week:

twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1117754768397602817

Which DofE page linked to this company? I couldn't find it.

The Emma trainer person named on the Outdoors People website has trained Leed City Counicil of One Click Self-id of gender fame www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3559178-Leeds-Council-Allow-1-click-self-ID-FFS , Leeds NHS Clinical Commissioning Group and Leeds Learning Improvement Team, among others www.simpsontraining.org/ Scroll down to "Clients"

I imagine the D of E himself would be mighty pissed off at this kind of language being used.

Transgender ideology is like a virus. It's everywhere.

When I did my D of E last millennium I wore combat trousers, t-shirt, fleece, hiking boots and waterproof coat.

Is that presenting as male or female?

Or was I just presenting as a hiker?

It makes you wonder why we’re not allowed to have a word for people who have the sort of biology that means they might have periods. Why would that be so bad?

Can't read past "People with periods".

Is this the erasure that we women and girls are supposed to enjoy?

Fuck them.

By the by, I started my first period ever on a camping trip with my dad, step mom, and grandparents and I wasn't comfortable discussing it with any of them. Which is kind of telling considering my mother had spent a significant amount of time discussing female reproductive health, genital care, and sani-pro (including having me insert and remove a tampon in private prior to beginning menses to ensure I could navigate it when the time came - we then had a conversation about the tampon experience).

Well guess what, I navigated it when the time came but didn't have any tampons as at that age I was just focused on making sure I had my bathing suit, sneakers, and books to read by the campfire.

I improvised with paper towels and hid my physical discomfort as well as mess. Upon returning to my mother I told her what happened and she cried while holding me because she tried so hard to help me be comfortable with what being a woman would entail in every regard.

When I went back to my dad's house I told them that I began menses but didn't say when. My dad and stepmom took me out for a new outfit and dinner to celebrate my rite of passage so it isn't like they weren't welcoming or willing to be supportive.

While the above story is merely my experience I expect my reactions were similar for many girls. Above and beyond experiences like these I just don't think most girls would be comfortable having these conversations with some already trusted adults (possibly a select few of their trusted adults) and much less strangers. They deserve to be safeguarded, respected, and allowed personal dignity.

Gender identity is not a protected characteristic under the Equality Act, Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic.
Sex is a protected characteristic.
The people who have written this woke bollocks don't appear to know the current law and how it should be applied.
Gender segregation is ridiculous, the correct term is sex segregation.

“ In 2015, Emma came out to their workplace as a non-binary transgender person, meaning that they identify as neither a man nor a woman.”

What utter utter navel-gazing cack is this.

@AlwaysComingHome

If Lara Croft had had to deal with this shit she'd have stayed indoors and become a librarian.

High-five! I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Good point bingo
Everyone presents the same on DoE really.

Obviously DD tried to do it in miniskirt and high heels, like a good person presenting as a female. But they insisted on hiking boots and full waterproofs.

If Lara Croft had had to deal with this shit she'd have stayed indoors and become a librarian.

I note that their individual biographies refer to them as he or her - how transphobic and exclusionary of them. More literal violence.

I also think presents as worse - it feeds into the stereotypes again (what a woman must wear in order to look like a woman and be considered attractive) and goes hand in hand with 'gender expression' which I heard on Good Morning Britain interview with Fox and Owl and as far as I can tell is another layer of confusion as to what is real and what isn't.

So a man can be a trans woman who presents as a 'masculine' trans women (I.e looks like a man) but calls himself a woman or a lesbian or both, or a unicorn. All that BS just doesn't really go far to explain who is what. More muddying the waters to cause deliberate confusions and mess around with language and meaning.

I think 'presents' is worse! It implies it's all about how you present yourself - ie your clothing, makeup, hairstyle, etc. Especially on D of E, where there's very little difference in how people present.