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Julian Assange

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NeurotrashWarrior · 11/04/2019 10:45

Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder arrested in London www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47891737

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Erythronium · 11/04/2019 23:46

How did he ever get into the women's bathroom in the first place to find out it was the quietest room in the embassy? What was he doing in there?

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/04/2019 23:33

"And the quietest room is the women’s bathroom, the only room that’s easy to sleep in. So I thought I’d try and somehow get hold of it and renovate it. Eventually, somewhat reluctantly, the staff relented. They ripped out the toilet. They’ve been very generous."

Says everything you need to know about his attitude.

LassOfFyvie · 11/04/2019 23:29

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/18/julian-assange-ecuador_n_5507558.html

How unsurprisingly that it was a women's bathroom which was appropriated.

DonaldTwain · 11/04/2019 23:10

It’s amazing how certain people manage to be wrong about absolutely everything.
Diane Abbott, Peter Tatchell, Vivienne Westwood. Absolute shit for brains, every single one.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/04/2019 23:01

The flip side of that is Spotlight. The gatekeepers decided that the Catholic Church was more important than children. I mean eventually they didn't but everyone decided that to start with.

RedToothBrush · 11/04/2019 22:50

R0wantrees that YouTube clip is very very good and it's interesting to watch Assange's response to Douglas Murray.

I think it highlights the concept of how a system might be flawed but that doesn't mean the alternative is better.

The concept of gatekeepers is one that I had drummed into me. Its a role that carries responsibility as well as power.

To use an example: a newspaper has a story about how all the of paedophiles for an entire region have released back into the community and housed by the council in a single area right next to a particular school. They decide to run a story questioning the policy and ask why the council has a policy which allows there to be such a high concentration in such a small area, especially since many of these men were familiar with each other from prison and were exchanging tips. It exposes the concerns and asks questions of the authority.

Compare it with a data drop website who report the story, and then publish a list of names and addresses of all newly released prisoners, which includes everyone from those who had been held without bail and released following being found not guilty of shoplifting to convicted paedophiles. Do the public need to know this information? Some might argue they have a right to know exactly who is living in their area. The problem though comes when vigilantes decide to hunt everyone who is newly released and intimidate them, or worse. Not only are people who were convicted of the serious crime caught up but also those who were innocent of any crime.

It unleashes almost a form of mob rule wherein human rights and civility are lost in the frenzy of 'informing us'.

My point being that, how does more information being available, actually help society? Can the problem be exposed and pressure brought to change a policy that is wrong, without unleashing this type of chaos?

I don't deny that we should know about US abuses of power. We should. But how much do we need to know, to still expose it, without there being a reaction which is beyond the control of any institutional power?

LassOfFyvie · 11/04/2019 21:54

Lady Gags and Vivienne Westwood were supporters too.

bettybeans · 11/04/2019 21:43

I hope Swedish prosecutors get their act together and reopen the case. I'm not a massive fan of suppression of freedom of speech but I'm even less a fan of a man who is accused by women of sexual crimes, runs away and then claims they're just part of some massive multi-state cover-up.

Face the music, Julian. You creep.

nettie434 · 11/04/2019 21:14

Thanks Redtoothbrush. That was illuminating. I do try and make allowances for Diane Abbott as she does get a lot of bad press coverage and abuse on social media but today’s performance was clearly really poor.

I don’t really understand why Assange still has so many allies. One of the worst arguments of his fans was that benefits of WikiLeaks somehow cancelled out possible rape in Sweden. Plus the idea that it was not safe to go to Sweden to be interviewed by the police because Sweden would extradition him to the US was really not plausible.

MockerstheFeManist · 11/04/2019 20:49

It is by no means clear if the cat donated its shit for the dirty protest.

Meanwhile, spare a thought for Cupboard Boy tonight. He'll be in some hellhole like Brixton or Wandsworth until they find a permanent place for him.

....OK, that's enough. Now forget about him until May 2nd.

The judge seems to have been unimpressed.

R0wantrees · 11/04/2019 20:42

Red
I just watched this from 2013 & thought it interesting. Would be interested in your thoughts

'Douglas Murray Vs Julian Assange and Wikileaks'

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=814&v=UDnt_CYDiuE

RedToothBrush · 11/04/2019 20:02

Odd stance for Diane Abbott to take I think, irrespective of what happened to Chelsea in terms of transitioning.

It wasn't a position of Diane Abbott. It was the official Labour Party line.

I watched in adject horror to her speech in the HoC.

She cited it as press freedom. Its bullshit. We have a tradition of whistleblowing hard hitting journalism in this country - possibly greater than any other country. But this is also characterised as responsible (and generally) ethical journalist when it comes to areas of particular sensitivity such as security. Media outlets spend a lot of time and money on lawyers and considering what can be published in the public interest, and what they should withhold being it may pose some sort of problem - such as placing an individual in danger.

Wikileaks has none of these concerns and as such I regard their claim to be journalists as highly questionable. They had no responsibility over the impact of their lack of gatekeeping. Its just a data dump without this process and consideration.

Not only this Abbott went on about how Assange was being persecuted and had don't nothing wrong but expose the US's wrong doing in Iraq.

I found this incredible.

Indeed it gave Sajid Javid easy ammunition in saying that she was not standing up for the rule of law and how Assange was guilty of skipping bail.

Abbott not long afterwards was clearly on a damage limitation exercise as she tweeted

Diane Abbott @ Hackneyabbott
Home Secretary claims law applies to everyone. But no-one argued that Julian Assange's skipping bail here should be ignored. It's the extradition to the US that is at issue, where he faces lengthy imprisonment for whistle blowing of US military operations in Iraq.

Except this is completely disingenuous representation of her statement in the HoC. She prattle on about his poor health and held against his will.

There also seems to be a certain amount of dissent in Labour. Diana Johnson MP for Kingston and Hull said
I am concerned that a man suspected of rape, which is what in this case actually happened, was able to do what he did for several years to escape justice. I have seen media reports that lawyers for the victims in Sweden are taking steps to start the proceedings off again. I wonder whether the Home Secretary might be able to investigate that and let the House know. I am sure that many Members of Parliament are very anxious about the matter.

The case of Assange is far from simple and I certainly do have concerns about any one being extridited to the US on computer misuse charges for human rights reasons.

But the way Abbott has presented the case today is nothing short of appalling.

I believe there are rumours of stronger charges yet to come from the US against Assange, possibly in relation to Trump Russia (and talk of the death penalty possibly being on the cards). In which case under the ECHR we would not legally be able to extradict him.

If I'm honest, I have to say I hope Sweden take the problem out of our hands though. He's cost us enough in terms of the £13million spent on policing and frankly I'd rather someone else handled it, because the case will be too politicised on tribal lines to be in the interests of the public at all.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-04-11/debates/0650F0B8-1D1E-4FD5-8E6D-9A94FE112986/ArrestOfJulianAssange
Anyway here is today's HoC debate on the subject so judge for yourself.

I'm very pissed off about it.

Without understanding the importance of ethics in media, the press is a very dangerous power. We are all too aware of cases where media has not acted ethically and this has proved to be a bad thing. For the Shadow Home Secretary to be unable to comprehend this and speak in a way that reflects this nuance is terrifying in its implication.

Abbott gets so much unnecessary abuse, but on this occasion I can't help but feel she's had not only a bad day at the office but one which neglects key issues which protect individuals from abuse of power and neglect of responsibility for the consequences of actions.

/rant

BackOnceAgainWithABurnerEmail · 11/04/2019 19:37

“Manning, dressed in US military uniform and presenting as the male gender of her birth (she later transitioned as a woman),”

How convenient. If only I could flex some male privelage when I thought it would be helpful to me...

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/11/chelsea-manning-julian-assange-webchats-wikileaks?CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1555004658

LordPickle · 11/04/2019 19:34

I absolutely despise Assange and everything he stands for...which is essentially being a Russian puppet masquerading as a freedom fighter. Fuck that guy.

GabrielleNelson · 11/04/2019 19:19

A woman from the Ecuadorian Embassy just said on Ch4 News that he smeared the walls of the embassy with faeces. On this thread someone said he damaged the fabric of the building by riding around indoors on a skateboard. I'm amazed it took them this long.

nettie434 · 11/04/2019 18:43

I think the cat was rehomed a few months ago Neurotrash. Autocorrect changed rehomed to rehired for some reason Confused

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/04/2019 18:26

The cat is an unexpected twist I didn't know about though. Poor thing.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 11/04/2019 18:25

Ah knew there'd be more than meets the eye on this!

Thanks all.

I believe the women he assaulted.

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R0wantrees · 11/04/2019 17:55

This whole thing has been about US attempts to get Assange extradited to the US, because Wikileaks released information concerning US war crimes and torture in Iraq and Afghanistan

No its complex & reducing it serves noone well.

Erythronium · 11/04/2019 17:33

Wasn't he living in the women's toilets at the Ecuadorian Embassy? Another man in the wrong place.

nettie434 · 11/04/2019 17:26

Diane Abbot on her feet now defending Assange and stating that Chelsea Manning's "Human Rights as a woman have been completely ignored."

What I find sad is the way that Chelsea Manning has been so loyal to Assange. I personally think he took advantage of her vulnerability. Odd stance for Diane Abbott to take I think, irrespective of what happened to Chelsea in terms of transitioning.

MockerstheFeManist · 11/04/2019 17:22

Just seen ex-President Correra on CNN spouting the old guff about the death penalty.

The UK does not extradite anyone anywhere to face the death penalty.

And the stuff about journalism is false. The prospective US charge is for hacking not publishing.

Love to know what Trumpy thinks now about "Wikileaks! I Love Wikileaks!"

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/04/2019 16:31

I think Diane Abbot is the only woman I've heard supporting Assange.

And Pamela Anderson. Canadian and clearly A OK with gender stereotypes.

2rebecca · 11/04/2019 16:17

I think Diane Abbot is the only woman I've heard supporting Assange. Most think of him as a creepy sex pest. Not sure why the left are defending him as I thought he'd helped leak Hilary Clinton's emails to the Russians and Trump and brought about all the "crooked Hilary" allegations. Nasty little man.

MockerstheFeManist · 11/04/2019 15:44

Is there a difference?

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