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Hayden and their latest case

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Amalfimamma · 08/04/2019 12:59

So this is the latest message to intimidate after their idea to compile a list of gc women

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ZebrasAreBras · 10/04/2019 11:13

Yes, this is the effect of TRAs like Steph threatening women with court action or police - the silencing of women on social media and in public.

Steph is trying to make out that Steph's cause is "to stop transphobic abuse on Mumsnet" - but it's not that. There is no transphobic abuse on Mumsnet - any actual abuse (of anyone) is deleted, because it's against the guidelines.

This is personal to Steph - about Steph trying to leave a unsavoury past behind with a name & gender change.

JaneEyreAgain · 10/04/2019 11:01

Well, it has worked on me, I detest the idea of entering into an online row with someone over whether the rights of transpeople trump natal females. I have been put off commenting on Twitter and on Mumsnet and giving voice to my genuine concerns about the silencing of women, ergo I have been silenced for fear that a few heartfelt comments might bring the police to my door or have my name the subject of a court order. How depressing.

TimeLady · 10/04/2019 11:01

Or Strictly ...or Dancing on Ice.

TimeLady · 10/04/2019 10:59

I'd love to see Hayden on the telly. Let's hope Loose Women or This Morning send an invite soon Wink

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/04/2019 10:51

That video is worth a thousand words

Indeed. It is important that transwomen like Hayden are given both television and radio time, as it really helps get the message out.

Janie143 · 10/04/2019 10:42

Seems a bit exaggerated to describe this "wins a high court battle" in the Daily Mail headline Considering neither MN or the subject contested Hmm

ZebrasAreBras · 10/04/2019 10:40

That video is worth a thousand words.

BarbieJellyBabyBrain · 10/04/2019 10:37

This is the kind of thing the Daily Mail loves - silly women on Mumsnet spatting with the transgenderererers.

BarbieJellyBabyBrain · 10/04/2019 10:35

Is that Stephanie in the video of the news clip in the middle of that DM article?!!! I've not seen Stephanie 'in real life', as it were, before....

Hyrana · 10/04/2019 10:24

Oh, I posted.... how do I get Mumsnet to delete?

Meowzzz · 10/04/2019 10:21

This is the first I've heard of this, must be living under a rock, but what the hell is wrong with the mug.

Hyrana · 10/04/2019 10:20

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Popchyk · 10/04/2019 10:18

I liked the way that the Daily Mail deliberately inserted their previous story (which caused much outrage) into the middle of this new story.

The press, eh?

A law unto themselves.

theOtherPamAyres · 10/04/2019 10:17

Anyone got a share token for the article in the Times, this morning:
*Mumsnet ordered to reveal name of user in trans row" ?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-ordered-to-reveal-name-of-user-in-row-with-trans-activist-stephanie-hayden-rzmvl2q8z

whattershame · 10/04/2019 10:12

Thanks think I will deregister as can't risk it really can't.

I name change often though.

TimeLady · 10/04/2019 10:09

I enjoyed the video in the Daily Mail. Spoke volumes.

Didn't it just? The DM have a knack of selecting just the right visuals to illustrate the message they want to convey in their articles in a passive aggressive way. Grin

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Popchyk · 10/04/2019 09:56

I enjoyed the video in the Daily Mail.

Spoke volumes.

eurochick · 10/04/2019 09:52

I thought SH was a woman. But using the law to control women is a very male behaviour. Curious.

nauticant · 10/04/2019 09:41

SophoclesTheFox: yes, I think a long-term strategy needs to consider the impact of the Streisand Effect. Especially since the Streisand Effect is on our side.

Did you not see www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3554306-Hayden-and-their-latest-case?msgid=86196483 Whereareyouspot?

Whereareyouspot · 10/04/2019 09:37

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SophoclesTheFox · 10/04/2019 09:33

Fair point, nauticant. I think it’s always useful to reflect on what people think the end outcome will be, and how that influences how they play the game.

I think there’s also something about losing battles to win wars, and how some people aren’t ever able to understand that tactic. It’s a particular weakness in the hostile forms of transactivism, who seem to have a will to “win” that persists even when it patently damages their cause.

Reallyevilmuffin · 10/04/2019 09:25

Curious - how would this even work if we all used that bit above the text box to be a person for a post. There could be a de facto arsehole name...

nauticant · 10/04/2019 09:24

To be fair to Hayden, their initial goal was to get a court order they could wave around to claim a victory and use that for PR purposes. That's been achieved and they are getting a platform to talk about "Mumsnet and transphobia" as a result.

Civil litigation is about leverage to get other people to do what you want. It's not about justice or righting wrongs. Well, that's how an experienced lawyer would generally see things.

The Daily Mail article actually illustrates this rather well.