Female soldier attacked in barracks *trigger alert, sexual assault*

I think BOMALT is but only men are like this.

Agree this thread has taken a peculiar turn.

To which I say BOMALT.

What does this mean please? Google is not forthcoming with an explanation.

Also confused.... I certainly hope my assumption is wrong too.

I am confused about the turn this thread has taken.

I think I understand the implication but I hope I'm wrong.

Would have thought it differs regiment to regiment.

Overall, 12% of the British Army is foreign.

We played against them in charity rugby match couple of years back - I remember thinking at the time that there were a load of South Pacific Islanders on their team.

That’s true of any northern hemisphere rugby team tbh.

Not sure why Pacific Islanders are being mentioned

I think 10% of the British Army are Fijian.

Thing about the Army is that it fosters Regimental identity. Culture varies greatly from the cautious and thoughtful to the gung-ho etc. As mentioned elsewhere, Bloody Sunday would never have happened with almost anyone except the Paras. Then there was the racism in the Household Division, challenged by the Prince of Wales.

Confusing couple of articles from the Sun there. Not sure what to make of the fact that the only unit mentioned was 9 RLC Regiment. It wasn't clear that this was the Regiment involved in the sexual assault.

We played against them in charity rugby match couple of years back - I remember thinking at the time that there were a load of South Pacific Islanders on their team. Seems that they are the most 'ethnically diverse' regiment in the British Army. The Regiment recruits heavily from commonwealth countries.

There needs to be an enormous inquiry into sexual assault in the Army and a complete culture change. I've seen it start right from the recruitment office. Female soldiers IMO have never had a voice either, as complainants are basically laughed at or their careers have been threatened. It's as though in some regiments sexual assault is 'funny', and/or the male soldiers are entitled to do as they please.

It's worth mentioning I have met many fantastic male soldiers who would never ever do anything like this, however sexual assault is rife in the army - I hope this is looked into and finally the female soldiers who have been subjected to this treatment over the years are finally given a voice.

Yes I understand what you’re saying menu that’s how I feel about it too.

Even if legally this isn’t “sexual assault of a minor/child” it’s most definitely sexual assault of a vulnerable person in the context of both her age and the fact she was a trainee in an institution where rank isn’t questioned.

I mean obv rape and sexual consent are not same

reread that it came out wrong

most countries would see this as underage

uk does not

that colours things

it's not OK to rape anyone no matter how old they are

but most countries seem to understand rape as much worse when child / elderly than woman of child bearing years

which is awful but def the way it is

to describe her as a woman, ties into minimising the crime, in public perception

because raping women is less bad than children or elderly women or men or boys

sorry not very well written

I thought that as well.

"Woman" felt like a stretch for a 17yo

Most countries and global rights institutions say 18 should be min sexual consent age

UK laws are actually out of step with global standards
Not that I necessarily want them changed

BUT 17yo sexually assaulted raped by 6 men

17 in this context she is a girl.
It's obscene

Nevertheless, I am sure this happens all the time but there are reasons that the services couldn't bury this.

17 is a girl. Legally a child. Child is sexually assaulted by six men. Who filmed it.

Institutional abuse of women and girls / prevalence in society / look at rotherham etc ?

Always kind of minimised.

Deepcut yes suicides who even believes that? And yet, can't be challenged.

I think this is being acted on as so extreme + for some reason woman is being listened to not told to stfu has she parents with clout or she is strong +tenacious to take establishment on. Which this is.

I imagine that women / esp young women in armed forces are at high risk of sexual abuse does anyone not think that?

I'm sure young men are raped too.

Yy pop I picked up on that bit too.

Gives again on one hand gives the impression that someone saw something.

But then comes out with " if true...."

Which is it.

And we all know that these things happen all the time and are massively under reported. So the comment about how no one has ever heard if anything so sickening happening smacks very highly of the whole " it never happens " thing.

I can read fairy
The point i was trying to make was in.particularly aimed at the first article linked to and is representative of how many cases of abuse/rape/violence and even murder of females is spliced with enough "other stuff" that the main point is some how diluted or excuses almost being made. Like when they wax lyrical about what a good family man the person was or how they were all drunk or bring up the fact the wife had cheated as if that somehow justified what happened.

People dont always see time scales or venues when they have been deliberately given the impression of other things.

Deepcut was over twenty years ago and was a very dark episode in the history of the military that someone wanted covered up.

Those 'Suicides' convince nobody.

The more I hear about this case, the worse it gets. I really hope the young woman concerned is being properly supported. I also hope the men concerned face the full force of the law and the approbation of their peers. Bloody animals.

I'm disturbed at the coke and alcohol consumption being brought up.
Yes, I thought the first impression given was that she was at the party and had taken drugs.

None of you can read. The alleged rape involving a soldier from Kendrew Barracks is a completely different incident to the alleged sexual assault involving the 17yo soldier. Apparently Kendrew Barracks is known as the "coke shame" Barracks, which is news to those of us who live in the local area, after a party involving a completely different regiment in January. The alleged rape wouldn't have happened on the Barracks because Lincolnshire Police don't cover this area. As yet no one has been charged with rape.

I truly hope that the women involved are getting the support they deserve.

..what the actual fuck is wrong with men..

Fuck knows. I believe it's something to do with not evolving fully as a species.

One of them (or one of their handmaidens) will be along in a minute to tell us that NAMALT

To which I say BOMALT.