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What's the bloody point in fighting the GRA changes

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings · 07/04/2019 10:16

When every twat who wants a cookie from Stonewall is already acting like its already a thing?! Why does the law even allow for interpretation, it should be a blanket rule, if you are a woman's only sex segregated service you MUST NEVER ALLOW A MAN IN. That should be the law. It should be illegal in 100% of cases, not discretionary.

Not in prisons
Not n shelters
Not in hospitals
Not in toilets
Not in changing rooms
Not even if they have a GRC
Not even if they have had surgery
Not even if they seem really really like super nice and just want to be one of the girls

NOT FUCKING EVER.

We needs to ramp this shit up. It's gone too far. We need to start driving it home. Protests? Strikes? Riots? I don't fucking care anymore, it just needs to stop.

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RepealTheGRA · 07/04/2019 11:11

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings

Liking that plan.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings · 07/04/2019 11:09

Can we maybe write a stock email to just send in bulk to St Mungos and WA? Was just reading the other thread about trans staff at WA and everyone writing long personal stories were just met with short stock replies so I'm not sure it's worth putting in the emotional energy. Also I think a lot of people get put off writing because of not knowing what to say or not having the time to do it. So a cut and paste job might help. If they get flooded with complaints within hours of this story coming out it might make a dent in the groupthink

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Datun · 07/04/2019 10:54

One thing I've learned is that talking about it to your mate, spouse, parents, yoga group, colleagues - absolutely makes a difference.

It feels like you're pissing in the wind, but it proliferates.

You think all this is just two people, five people, but then those five people talk to 10 more and then 50 and then 100 and then 1000.

I hear your frustration, though.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 07/04/2019 10:42

It's also about getting very honest and blunt with the battle lines here.

52% of the population are born with female biology. This is the root of female oppression. We asked Penny Mordaunt, what do you call those people? She refused to answer.

The 'right' of men to be called women and counted as women removes the identify and right of women to meet and address the needs specific to being biological women. Women are being denied this purely because it 'excludes' men who wish to be seen as and counted as women. There are some situations in which the answer to this has to be "Tough."

And women have to be prepared to stand up and own this, and not care about the emotional blackmailing of 'bigot' and 'transphobic' and 'exclusionary' and all the other new world word invention crap. Males feelings and choices cannot be allowed to outweigh women's rights.

RepealTheGRA · 07/04/2019 10:34

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings
Join up with people in real life.

Contact:

fairplayforwomen.com/contact-us/

resistersunited.org/

wgscotland.org.uk/contact/

womansplaceuk.org/contact/

www.standingforwomen.com/about

Join a local group and see what you can do to help.

Take all actions on this thread

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Knicknackpaddyflak · 07/04/2019 10:31

I agree that it is a foregone conclusion that women will go along with this and just suck up the losses and oppression that it involves. These are decisions being taken by men for the benefit of men, based on a belief that women matter less and should do as they're told.

I also agree that the nice, polite channels of writing to people and explaining the issues are having little effect on the establishment, who are quite open and unashamed in their misogyny, and that this is probably going to need to lead to active resistance and demonstration in order to be heard and taken seriously. Active boycotting of provisions and services not protected. Refusal to use mixed sex spaces and requesting single sex provision where it is not available. Setting up women only single sex provisions - you know, like women set up refuges for women because no one else cared until men wanted in on them - and using the exemptions in law, and publicly sharing in detail the kicking off and pressure this will inevitably cause. If the refuges and other services had just shared on line the content of every AWA email and call and the papers had reported on it this would be much harder for politicians to be forcing in under the table.

boatyardblues · 07/04/2019 10:25

It does seem like there should be some settings where it’s such a no-brainer, the restriction is assessed when the service is set up (and reviewed if the serivce changes) and then it is uniformly applied, eg prisons are sex segregated (in line with UN policy worldwide for wome’s safety 🙄) and then it is applied rigorously.

That DM article about the convicted domestic abuser having access to a women’s refuge is outrageous. 😕

IdaBWells · 07/04/2019 10:25

It’s just the complete appalling injustice that a small group of biological males ALWAYS take precedence and are prioritized over the entire female sex.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASavings · 07/04/2019 10:24

Yes, but how? I'm not a lawyer. I don't have any money to hire a lawyer on behalf of anyone. What can we actually do to start making some proper noise about this? It's getting into the papers in drips and drops, a flash of outrage then forgotten the next day, drowned out by noise of Brexit and a general indifference to women's safety. How do we get this into the public consciousness as a big deal?

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RepealTheGRA · 07/04/2019 10:21

We need to start taking strategic legal action. Starting with women in prisons taking group action for the psychological trauma they’ve suffered being held with males.

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