Any insight? Attack on Coron Kraatz

I'm so pleased to hear that she's thriving now.

@Suezkraatz
So very sorry Coron had to endure that brutality.Glad to hear things are going well. According to another poster this was an Oasis school. If so,that is surprising to hear as I have recently been reading about Oasis and how they market themselves as very inclusive. From what you're saying their marketing is just smoke and mirrors, that they the couldn't care less for LGBTQ students.

@JessicaWakefieldSVH ·"..I am as sorry for this young person as I am for all the other thousands of young people attacked at school. I am frustrated this gets more attention than all the others, including the sexual assaults that happen."

There have been high profile cases in Canada of teen aged girls viciously killing other teen aged girls. No one involved were trans. If any had been trans would that have made that death more horrific, more tragic than the others?

As you rightly point out in your other posts schools are violent places and that violence often isn't addressed.That only some of the crimes are noticed because a victim has some special status is appalling because it obfuscates how widespread the problem is.

Furthermore we do not yet know the motivation for this horrible attack or anything about the attacker. Its very possible something other than transphobia was the motivating factor. I recall a case where a transwoman was murdered and there was a hue and cry about it being another example of transphobia however that had to be pedalled back when her partner was charged for her murder.

To clear up a few things... Coron wasn't near anyone getting changed from PE. It was an access to her changing room. Where she alone changed

Coron was let down HUNDREDS of times by that school!!! They didn't even call an ambulance!!! Coron had a bruised brain!!!

The cctv was of the corridor outside the changing rooms

The police and school found no fault of this AT ALL to be Corons!!

She was viciously attacked from behind, knocked out and stomped on!!

The now 18 year old that did this had hit Coron and bullied Coron for over 6 months. We had been in over and over and school were negligent !!!

I am Corons mother. Coron was bullied for many years. Than one group of girls decided Coron should be physically and emotionally beaten. She was the hospitalised. 4 different girls had attacked her before this some recieving community sentences. The girl who stomped on her head, pulled her hair out, stood on her stomach was given probation and perminantly excluded. I blame the school and the parents. The school are ignorant and did nothing to help Coron. The parents were as ignorant as the child (police officer's opinion) the police recommended we move house. We did we moved to a city 1 hour away and Coron has thrived, she hasn't been bullied at all here and lives a peaceful life. She is completing her A Levels, has a job and will look for a teaching position soon. She is an example to all. Thanks all

This is exactly why Oasis Academy Wintringham is failing as a school. I'm actually urging you from personal experience to never send your kid here. You'd think they'd have learnt by now but no, they refuse to actually acknowledge anything they've allowed to happen. Michael Harrison, a science teacher was prosecuted for grooming children after admitting it to a classroom of kids, instead of apologising and putting parents thoughts at ease they'd rather just have no comment. They're so hellbent on trying to look good in front of Ofsted they try to put on an act instead of actually tending to the kids and their needs. Not to mention how many times bullies have been ignored and not dealt with, their "bully buddy" system is a joke and it doesn't work, and they know it doesn't work, but they still put kids who have no clue in charge of that sort of thing. This place is a prison and it's treated as such, nothing good ever happens to you unless you're hurt first, that's how it works.

DO NOT SEND YOUR KIDS HERE.

PeachNut

Thank you for clarifying that.

My DD goes to the school.
When the incident happened, all of the girls were walking through an empty changing room, to get upstairs to the girls’ changing room and Coron’s personal room.
Nobody was getting changed.

@MNHQ

Yeah, that was a bit weird.

Are there talk guidelines on fictitious works of writing by imaginary people?

And I'd love to see the guidelines about emojis!

www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=girl+viciously+attacked+by+other+girls

Quick google search reveals that head stamping is a thing :(

Oh wow Mouse finally you agree with everyone else You said...

On the face of it it appears the school acted appropriately. I don't know what could have prevented this unless they knew that the attacker was likely to do this

And we all agree! (Unless you believe in thought crime )

So we know it's passed and past. We know who. And when. And how.... just the elusive why

This won’t have come from nowhere. I really think the conversation might be better if we discussed preventing all acts of violence like this, since focusing on an isolated incident that we don’t have all the details on isn’t that helpful. The link I added above has some worthwhile points. Schools can’t solve this on their own. Preventing young children from going on to commit such acts, seems the best possible way of addressing this. The rate of violence happening now is really huge and it isn’t manageable for most schools on their own.

I don't know what could have prevented this unless they knew that the attacker was likely to do this.

It is impossible to know unless we know the detail of what actually happened and how the attacker was allowed to continue bullying.

All schools have a bullying policy, what did they do to prevent this happening in the first place?

About what?

How can we give suggestions about this case because we have to presume too much.

If this happened then this is the answer

On the other hand if that happened then they should have done that.

On the face of it it appears the school acted appropriately.

I don't know what could have prevented this unless they knew that the attacker was likely to do this.

Barracker is MN on the !?

Although I did post a [tin foil] theory on last nights spam that might answer today's vexatious reporting..

Anyway back to Mouse (and the not purpose of this thread maybe - who knows I’ve lost the plot)...

Mouse unless I have not been clear... I have no idea at what you’re driving at. Your point has meandered so far as to be in another book, never mind the same page. BUT please DO NOT answer my question with the exact same question back.
The roundabouts make me sick now - age huh.

I asked you first What are your suggestions?

I didn't say it always does.

I was answering the assertion that as the attacker had been permanently excluded it can't have been a first offence. I was explaining that isn't correct - you can be permanently excluded for a first offence if it is serious enough.

^Existing research points to different catalysts – such as parental violence, substance use and neglect – in the first 24 months of children’s lives as contributing to their own later violent conduct. The research shows that the peak age for violent behaviour is age six – which has implications for violence prevention and intervention policies^

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/how-school-expulsions-could-be-fuelling-the-rise-in-youth-violence-93613

A serious one off offence is grounds for permanent exclusion.

Unfortunately, it isn’t always the case it happens though. Parents just last year made complaints after their daughters had to continue to go to school with boys that had raped or sexually assaulted them.

One of the points I’ve seen raised when I’ve been reading about this, is that most attackers in schools have a history of violence and/or mental health issues, and often disrupted home life. A major issue is that CAMHS is completely overloaded and is not fit for purpose. Schools do not get given the help and resources they need and are simply not equipped to deal with this problem alone.

Barracker

And just for the avoidance of doubt it was not me who reported any posts.

I was equally surprised to see deletions.

Presumably since the head stamper has now been permanently excluded it wasn’t a first offence

A serious one off offence is grounds for permanent exclusion.

Video footage may well have been CCTV if it occured in a corridor.

There are too many unknowns that we are just guessing in order to make accusations of failings by the school.

For those wondering about the deleted posts, none of them actually contravened talk guidelines at all. They were a slight detail from the topic at hand, but clearly someone's been reporting innocuous posts.

My deleted post referenced someone else's use of the word 'seminal' as in 'seminal works'.

My post was a two liner. It said.

"Is there a female version of the word 'seminal'? Musing." or something similar.

That was all it said.

The post below it by KatvonHostileExtremist was a grin emoji.

That was it. A single grin emoji.

A single grin emoji was deleted, with a reference to 'talk guidelines'.

@MNHQ. PLEASE get a grip.

The school is shit at safeguarding is the story here.

Just about the only thing they did correctly was having a separate changing area for Coron.

IF Coron was walking through the girls changing room to get to the individual changing room then the school have adequately failed to safeguard girls.

Nobody should be getting their head stamped on, so the school have failed to safeguard here.

If it’s true that Coron has been subjected to years of bullying then again they have failed to safeguard Coron.

Presumably since the head stamper has now been permanently excluded it wasn’t a first offence so the fact she was unattended for long enough to seriously assault another pupil - safeguarding failure.

If video footage is available from inside a changing room, it was presumably shot on a pupils phone - safeguarding failure.

A child displaying the level of aggression required to stamp on another’s head, child protection issue, what was causing that level of violence should have been dealt with before it got to this level - safeguarding failure.

And finally children who are permanently excluded are very at risk of CSE and being groomed into ‘county lines’ gangs - again safeguarding failure.

The story that the papers should be running is safeguarding failure and the fact that safeguarding failures are endemic in UK schools, then they should be linking that with school funding, MH provision in this country and 8 years of austerity.

I would be interested to know if Bunbury has ever written anything about safeguarding?

To stop it happening again we need to know why surely?

Yes. This extends to all school violence because this is not an isolated incidence. Why it happens is the biggest question and this is a cultural issue. There’s many factors that will help to explain the why, in this case and others. If it is partly because they are trans, and they were not properly protected, that’s a big deal and the school has to be held accountable- regardless of whether or not it has also happened outside of school. To ignore the why of school violence is to brush it under the carpet. Simply saying some people are unsafe and should be excluded is not appropriate and will not help. Focusing on single incidents is not an adequate way of dealing with it.

From how it sounds the school was doing the best to accommodate the needs of all students so what can be done to prevent this? Were there signs that this could happen? Did the attacker have behaviour issues that might have indicated this was likely to happen?

Do you think this is the only bully in the whole of the UK?