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Surrogacy

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Annasgirl · 04/04/2019 09:59

So I'm here in Ireland listening to a national radio show where they are promoting surrogacy.

It seems as if we are all supposed to think it is ok. Now to be fair, the host is not really on board but the young woke roving reporter (a girl) really is!!! And apparently only religious people are against it (according to the woke young female reporter).

I've just found out that there is a bill coming through the Dail to legalise the process in Ireland, although just for altruistic stuff in Ireland. And guess what - they want to make it broader because no woman in Ireland would really want to do this, (why, if it so wonderful) so they want the US and Canada and Ukraine etc included.

Any thoughts?

I know we had a chat on here about it recently and many of us seemed to feel that surrogacy was really anti-women, and yes I really believe it is.

So it has all ended and there was no absolutely no discussion on any ethical issues or women's issues - because clearly that is all religion and we don't do religion in Ireland any more.

Sorry, just needed to rant to you all.

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Annasgirl · 04/04/2019 10:32

On a positive note, all of the emails read out were critical and made most of our posts, but were read out in the same way that the read out crackpot conspiracy theory emails!

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Annasgirl · 04/04/2019 10:32

And I don't care if someone thinks it is altruistic, the altruistic stuff is used as the base argument to soften us up to agreeing to accept it, and as soon as you know it, wombs are being rented for everyone.

Really feminism has to stop thinking the fight is in the boardroom, the fight is all about us, our purpose and our uniqueness, the part of us that is "sacred" and is hated by misogynists, the part that carries a baby, that creates a new human, is being stolen from us. And when we start to say that a gay male couple, were pregnant and had a baby, well... they were not, no gay male can ever be pregnant. Woke is all about erasing women isn't it?

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OrchidInTheSun · 04/04/2019 10:30

She's terribly fit apparently Betty.

BettyDuMonde · 04/04/2019 10:28

Who the fuck asks a 61 year old woman to gestate a baby for them? 😳

The risks to her health are enormous!

OrchidInTheSun · 04/04/2019 10:24

How did we get to the point where we think a woman having an embryo made from her son's sperm wasn't crossing an ethical line?

BettyDuMonde · 04/04/2019 10:24

Stop Surragacy Now (co founder Julie Bindel) is good reference point:

www.stopsurrogacynow.com/gay-rights-and-surrogacy-wrongs-say-no-to-wombs-for-rent/#sthash.hoQNhufn.dpbs

‘Under His Eye’ indeed

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/apr/01/outsourcing-pregnancy-india-surrogacy-clinics-julie-bindel

I think we need to follow Sweden’s example and end surrogacy in the U.K.

BesmirchingMotherhood · 04/04/2019 10:19

The Nebraska story was all over the BBC website this week. 61yo mother of one man gave birth to baby. Egg came from other man’s sister, I think. So about as altruistic as it could be.

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 04/04/2019 10:17

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Etino · 04/04/2019 10:13

Under his eye 😞

RepealTheGRA · 04/04/2019 10:12

It’s all part of the same anti women, women are commodities to be bought and sold shit show isn’t it?

We need to campaign against it.

The important rights here are the rights of the baby to stay with it’s mother (the adult human female who gave birth to it), wherever that is possible and when it’s not for the deciding factor to be what’s right for the baby.

And the rights of women to bodily autonomy and not to be coerced due to poverty.

OrchidInTheSun · 04/04/2019 10:08

As someone said on a group I'm in, why do we think that it's terribly sad if a baby's mother dies shortly after birth and that child is raised with love but without their birth mother but a hugely positive thing if that same baby is taken from its mother because someone has paid her?