transgender supportive, TRA unsupportive

I agree OP. I know posters are saying the Feminist board is anti TRA not anti trans, but a lot of posters do stray into pretty negative posting about trans people (no I am not going to provide quotes - look for yourself!).

As we have a much loved and valued transwoman in our close circle the tone of many of the posts here makes me feel uncomfortable, hence I avoid it.

This is why many people here are constantly specifying TRAs or transgenderism (as an ideology) to show that it is not the ordinary trans person with GD trying to live their life being criticised.

Most ordinary trans people live their lives through mutual consent not bullying and abuse with a constant need for validation. I remember reading a survey that was done asking trans people about their main concerns (wish I could find it again). Self-id and TRA-type 'what is a woman' nonsense didn't feature. They wanted better access to medical care, had concerns about jobs, housing and old age, worried about abuse in the street (usually by men).

Just think, if we didn't have to waste time arguing that biological men are different from biological women and one does not become the other we could have done so much work on how to support trans people as they are. How to develop a toolbox with a range of researched methods to help people with GD and those struggling with their bodies

I can sometimes feel the same about mumsnet OP. I think there are people on here who confuse being anti-TRA with anti-trans, and that the resulting posts do appear to be anti-trans sometimes. The facts that trans people do have rights, need support and safety are sometimes overlooked by MN as a group in my opinion. But there are a lot of individuals, probably the vast majority here who do feel like you.

I think the appearances on here can be because TRAs are shouting so loudly, to counter that people on here feel the need to shout loudly and clearly about the women's rights that are being eroded, instead of presenting a balanced discussion that considers everybody.

All I am asking for is that women's biological rights and protections remain.

people can live their lives according to whatever gender stereotype they like but they can't change sex and I won't be forced into believing that they can, and thus with that I won't accept male people of any persuasion into female spaces.

Agree with PPs the key message I pick up from mumsnet is support for rights and respect for all.

OP if you’re looking for a chatboard where many might need to heed your message maybe post in Kiwifarms or one of the various forums that aren’t coming from that point of view.

That's me that is. I have several trans friends and am happy to stand by them if they are discriminated against.

They haven't changed sex though, and there are some areas in life where women need protection and segregation because of their sex.

What gamer said

I don't think there is anybody here who doesn't support transgender people OP.

I think if you actually read the threads on here, you will find that's the position of almost all of us.

We want to defend women's rights - so no male-bodied individuals in women's prisons, right to ask for a female HCP for smears, no male-bodied individuals in women's sports.

On the whole (can't speak for everyone on the board), we fully support all human beings' rights to dress, present, call themselves what they please. Trans people shouldn't be discriminated in jobs (barring a few proportionate exemptions under the equalities act for single sex provision) or in housing (ditto) or in healthcare (pace concerns over informed consent and well-meaning but naive parents over-enthusiastically transing children).

I do wonder, given that this point has been made many, many times on here, why you feel the need to start a thread about it? Not looking for screenshots, are you?

Exactly where I am. I can't imagine how frustrating and upsetting it must be for the majority of the trans community to see the TRAs claim to speak in their name.