Fuck. My turn for trans awareness training.

I think given the fact you are challenging your employer, your comments were brave. Correct, but still very brave.
I bet they were counting on no one having the bottle to speak out.

I think those are good, Holy.

Well done. The cis gender thing gives me the absolute rage. Go for it!

Well done op and ffs!

Ah it's the same thing isn't it

If it was then gender reassignment wouldn't need to be on the list would it

Ah it's the same thing isn't it,

Therein lies a lot of the problem. Many people are swallowing 'gender' as a polite euphemism for 'sex' without realising what the implications are. Well done for raising it, ewe - I'm sure others will have noticed what you said.

I went to a training session delivered by a government department, prepared to challenge if needed.

They did a fun quiz where we covered the Equality Act and one of the questions was "name the 9 protected characteristics" (which I knew from all the time spent on here ).

Someone gave the answer but listed sex as gender and the trainers accepted it as correct! I spoke up and said it wasn't right as it should've been sex and they said "Ah it's the same thing isn't it, she can have the point" and then started speaking to someone else so I didn't feel I could raise it again.

I felt so angry at myself for the rest of the day that I hadn't said anything more and it was really disheartening to know that the wrong information was being taught. I knew that it was from here (if the government website about the EHRC listed the characteristics wrong it's unsurprising) but it's the first time I've properly "seen it in the wild".

Well done ffs!

I challenged our new e learning programme, based on some legal inaccuracies (e.g. E the definition of sex, which included self identification and including gender in a diagram re protected characteristics). IT made the changes I recommended within an hour and I got an apology from our head of equalities who said they'd just copied another organisations training and she hadn't proof read it carefully enough.... 🙄🤔

I think this would mske an excellent article and tslking point on the likes of LBC, Talk Radio etc. Totally understand the position you are in though worried about rocking the boat.

I’d have struggled with this. I struggle having to choose a gender box online ehen joining or applying for something- this would have given me the rage.

It should be utterly illegal, IMO, to have to pass a "correct opinions" test to hold a job in the public service.

Totally agree. It's outrageous. This is an ideology. It's not a belief system shared by most people.

Anyway, OP, you need to make a note (an actual note, written, not a mental one) of every question and every multiple choice answer given, and send them to James Greenup or Andrew Gilligan at the times, and let them expose the fact that public sector workers are having to pass a test of opinions (i.e. clear themselves of trans thoughtcrime) just to keep their jobs. It should be utterly illegal, IMO, to have to pass a "correct opinions" test to hold a job in the public service.

I'm local government. Woke of the woke.

I am mildly baffled why we've had a Conservative government for 9 years and not had the opportunity to hang the verminous woke by their scumball necks for shit like this.

Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting you give robust feedback. You alone know how much grief you'd get for that.

Hey Holy,

Just to give you a bit of hope...

I work in the woke HE sector. As well as the mandatory equality and diversity eTraining, HR informed us that a separate trans eTraining module was would also be compulsory.

A couple of weeks ago the trans training disappeared without trace. I can only presume that GC colleagues had complained about it. Why have trans training and eg not specific disability discrimination training?

I have no problem with training that talks about respect for all. I do take issue when one protected characteristic is elevated beyond the others.

I would also have given robust feedback if the training had been of the non-questioning, right-think type that you were subjected to. I never got round to looking at it while it was online but I have strong suspicions that is exactly what it was.

It sounds like that online training misinforms about the Equality Act 2010.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic at whatever stage of transition and I must not complain about a man being in the ladies.

You might want to show your HR Dept this letter from lawyers:

forwomen.scot/30/03/2019/tie-letter-legal-response/

"The Equality Act 2010 provides trans people with the important and necessary protection from discrimination on the basis of gender re-assignment. This is not the same as a general right of access to single sex spaces and services in all circumstances. It is established in case law that the comparator for a transgender person claiming discrimination in relation to gender re-assignment is not the sex which they are seeking transition to but that which they are seeking transition from. There are a number of exemptions for single sex spaces and services, for example sports (section 195) and communal accommodation, such as youth hostels or other shared sleeping and sanitary accommodation (Schedule 23 paragraph 3), which can be invoked for biological women only. These exemptions are equally important and necessary, for many different reasons, such as enabling women to compete safely in contact sports or to use shared sleeping accommodation where otherwise they might be unable (for example due to their religious or cultural background or past trauma)."

Ah... I knew it. Didn't I say so earlier down the thread? You will not be allowed to fail this OP.

[cynical NHS worker]

(Hands Holy a quadruple gin).