Good things that happen when you wear an "Adult Human Female" hoodie

I wear my hoodie often. The first time I went out in it it seemed a potential big deal not least because of the propaganda that has been spread.

Ive had a quite a few conversations about it mostly after compliments that its a great hoodie. People are surprised to know a woman was asked to leave a bar in Macclesfield for wearing a T Shirt saying the same. Noone who has commented knew anything about what is going on about the threats to Women's Rights & Safeguarding.

January 6th 2019 Mail on Sunday article by Sanchez Manning:

"Young mother is barred from her local pub for wearing a T-shirt saying 'Woman: human female' after a complaint that it discriminated against transgender people
Rebekah Wershbale was barred from Five Clouds Tap and Bottle in Macclesfield
She wore a T-shirt with the definition of a woman - which was 'not inclusive'
Ms Wershbale is a supporter of feminist group Fair Play For Women, which opposed a Government’s consultation to reform the Gender Recognition Act" (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6561259/Young-mother-barred-pub-wearing-T-shirt-saying-Woman-human-female.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3464900-Reports-of-Macclesfield-pub-barring-woman-for-wearing-adult-human-female-T-shirt

I usually just talk about something simple such as women's sports.

Its part of my wardrobe now, if Im dashing to the supermarket or walking the dog Im as likely to wear it as any other similar tops.

(it is a good fit for me & very comfy so its often a preferred option)

This is a great report about how lesbian rights suffer when voicing dissent about trans ideology is not allowed in LGBT spaces. Worth thinking about the reason for that, as although the consequences aren't the same (and are generally more serious, as the report documents), it's the same underlying reason.

www.gettheloutuk.com/attachments/lesbiansatgroundzero.pdf

I wish I was brave enough to wear an Adult Human Female hoodie. I'm not. But I'd find it reassuring to see one.

One of the reasons for the TRA ideology success (apart from working in secret, influencing policy behind the scenes without debate) is that they've made people scared to raise concerns. And because people aren't talking about it, people feel isolated and alone.

The t-shirts and hoodies are a symbol that shows us we are not alone. And it gives strength to those who see them. That should not be underestimated.

And for those, like me, still too scared to wear the AHF one, Manchester ReSisters do a lovely alternative.

LangCleg I'd bloody love to see you in a doctor's waiting room!

(That sounds vaguely threatening ... I mean you have been one of the most articulate posters on these boards for ages and would enjoy a real life chat!)

Nothing good has ever happened to me but nothing bad has either. I forget I'm wearing it most of the time until occasionally I notice someone trying to read it and then I give them a big smile.

I make a point of always wearing it if I have to go into the kids' school

I'm sorry but we have to negotiate for women-only spaces, why exactly? If the "other side" wanted respectful debate we wouldn't be in this mess. We are adult human females, women, and have rights within the law. We are not on the attack but find ourselves having to defend biological reality, for ourselves and for our children. What I would like to discuss is how a very small subset of the population has been allowed to redefine language in order to accommodate their fetish/delusion (I say that because I do not believe the old-skool transsexuals have the same motivations as the mysoginist TRAs who are pushing all this.) Woman = adult human female. Period.

Bunbury's seminal work De-Centring Women has quite interesting things to say about the ways in which conversations intended to centre and celebrate women's public political statements are instead flying monkeyed into defending criticisms of them.

OP's thread - with Good things in its title - was intended as celebratory. Let's stick to celebratory!

Both excellent points.

Bunbury, as ever, is quite right, Lang.

AdultHuman I do really recommend it. It has made me so much braver. Plus, you know, great pocket.

Anyone starting to see I'm GC but... as the new I'm not racist but...?!

Oh yes.

What the t shirts and hoodies have also done is given women a way to break their silence.
I do actually agree with this. I'm not trying to stop anyone wearing them, as, again, another poster has suggested. Wear what you like; I'm saying that I would feel goady and tribalist wearing it. Others clearly feel differently and I am ok with that!

You know it's time to leave a thread when you have to spend more time telling people what you didn't say rather than what you did

OP's thread - with Good things in its title - was intended as celebratory. Let's stick to celebratory!

Very fair point. I promise not to feed further.

I do think that Frida's 'be nice, be quiet' points have done nothing but help the GC argument, even if not intended that way.

I am inspired to wear my merchandise out now.

I haven't been brave enough before.

Bunbury's seminal work De-Centring Women has quite interesting things to say about the ways in which conversations intended to centre and celebrate women's public political statements are instead flying monkeyed into defending criticisms of them.

OP's thread - with Good things in its title - was intended as celebratory. Let's stick to celebratory!

It's a rather forlorn attempt at divide and conquer. Never works.

So no. There are not 'better' (you mean nicer, quieter, more tactful, unseen, ineffective) ways to do this. Particularly since that particular social contract definitely doesn't extend both ways.

I don't mean that, thanks, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. My mind is never going to be changed by a hoody slogan but I'm happy to accept I may be in the minority.
I'll carry on with my own ways of raising the GC view, even if they are non-clothing based and therefore ineffective

Anyone starting to see I'm GC but... as the new I'm not racist but...?!

I'm not GC but... I disapprove of any expression of GC opinion done in public, any evidence of women behaving a in non-compliant manner, any word or deed that does not consider male feelings above women's interests.

I genuinely believe that to the extent that parts of the debate are zero-sum, gender critical feminists are going to lose (which is already starting to happen).

As many people have already posted. Without the pushback, organised by courageous women, self ID would be law, or very close to it.

I think it's primarily the fault of a small minority of hard line gender critical feminists who have used it in an unhelpfully inflammatory context.

Up until this point I had a lot of sympathy for your point that civility, reason and compromise go a long way, but this is bonkers.

The 'worst' GC women are a rude and uncompromising. You could argue in some cases some of them border on harassing (though they would argue what they do attracts attention and they are otherwise ignored).

The worst TRAs assault women, commit vandalism, threaten venues, intimidate women trying to meet, tell women to die in a fire, call anyone who disagrees nazis, scream at people and threaten rape. Much of this is from or excused by mainstream campaigners and long predates the feminist response.

No reasonable observer (I am not a feminist and come from a very pro trans rights PoV) could claim that the toxicity comes from GC feminists. It is to their credit (an part of why they are winning) that they do not respond in the same way. Real transphobia on here doesn't last 5 minutes, because people don't like it.

OP has asked for stories of Good things that happen when you wear an "Adult Human Female" hoodie.

Here's mine:

Sat in dentist's waiting room. Man opposite smiles and says, "My wife has one of those but she's too nervous to wear it out when she's on her own. I'm going to tell her about you tonight."

Otherwise, aside from the times I was giving out FPFW leaflets during the GRA consultation, nobody has remarked on or stared at any of my GC t-shirts and hoodies. In case you hadn't guessed, I don't live in a pocket of Woketopia!

"I don't think the perception that this slogan (or standing up for women's rights in general) is transphobic is the fault of women."

Neither do I, I think it's primarily the fault of a small minority of hard line gender critical feminists who have used it in an unhelpfully inflammatory context.

Kelly-Jay Keen-Minshull (Posie Parker) explains in this interview alongside Adrian Harrop why the black & white dictionary definition of woman = adult human female was chosen:

Well done

Candidpeel emboldened by not being burned as a witch I've started having GC conversations IRL recently. And everyone agrees and everyone is horrified and none of them had realised.

So for me, hoodie is working.

Please can you explain what you mean by transpeople have fewer rights then woman in the UK.

At 02.35 guitargeek posted:

I haven't said the definition isn't correct, just that I don't think a hoodie is the way to get your point across..

I think it is ONE of the ways. A good way. That's just me.

But go on, guitargeek, you must have some better ideas to get our point across - please share.

I don't think there is any way to state that that someone is male (sex) and not female (sex), which will not be seen as non-offensive by those that want to prevent us making this differentiation.

Exactly. This is the heart of the matter. You have Dr Christian railing against Vancouver Rape Relief for their crime of being the only rape centre in Vancouver centring the rights of women (the same right specifically mentioned in our Equality Act, which is ignored by TRAs). Even if you called them "female" he'd say the same.