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Letter from prominent lawyers highlighting what women's legal rights are under the EA2010

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PlectrumElectrum · 30/03/2019 12:53

Handy to have if you are ever in the position of being either denied the right to female only space/service/safe & fair competition in sport or being told by anyone that even asking for this is evidence of any sort of "prejudice".

Taken from Joan McAlpine's twitter posts.

Letter from prominent lawyers highlighting what women's legal rights are under the EA2010
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Powergower · 30/03/2019 21:45

GG I got a similar response from my law firm. Completely overriding my concerns. This letter is very helpful thank you for posting.

GGletsdowngirls · 30/03/2019 21:18

This is the response I got from GGUK when I challenged them about letting in boys.

Letter from prominent lawyers highlighting what women's legal rights are under the EA2010
ChattyLion · 30/03/2019 21:10

Brilliant thanks for this.

SusanSmithFWS · 30/03/2019 20:37

Amoregentlemanlikemanner

The lawyers' letter is on our website here:
forwomen.scot/30/03/2019/tie-letter-legal-response/

JackyHolyoake · 30/03/2019 20:36

AncientLights

Be aware that, via the Equality Act 2010, hospitals are 100% exempt from any provision of any mixed-sex environments or services:

Schedule 3 [General Exceptions], Section 27 [Singles Sex Services]
sub-section 5a:

(5) The condition is that the service is provided at a place which is, or is part of—

(a) a hospital, or

(b) another establishment for persons requiring special care, supervision or attention.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3/part/7/crossheading/singlesex-services

AncientLights · 30/03/2019 20:26

I am expecting to have an elective surgery within a few months and am already worrying about being in a ward with, or even in the next bed to, a man or a TW. This is utterly unacceptable to me and am delighted to know the law is on my side. I'd like to raise the issue before the op, so seeing this letter to the hospital looks like a good option. But who do I address it to, anyone know?

Ereshkigal · 30/03/2019 20:09

As Errol said on another thread, that's a silly comparison:

A loo which has a call button, no possible means of a perpetrator escaping... sure, yes those are exactly like mixed sex loos in other locations.

happydappy2 · 30/03/2019 19:37

From SH on twitter
The #transgender hostile extremists are now banging on about gender neutral toilets. How do the #Nuttersnet crew cope when flying? Can see it now aggressively rings call bell and demands cabin crew find a single sex (based rights) toilet 11,277 metres in the sky!

Hugely missing the point, that onboard aircrafts we KNOW the bathroom facilities are used by both sexes, but are so tiny it is generally one person at a time. (Though have squeezed in with a child before.)

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 30/03/2019 19:06

Would anyone be kind enough to type it out? (Hard to read).

Any busy solicitor or barrister prepared to spend precious time debating the law with Stephanie deserves a medal.

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PlectrumElectrum · 30/03/2019 18:51

Thanks for posting that jacky - I'd not read that, and it's really excellent. Well done to FPFW on putting that together.

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JackyHolyoake · 30/03/2019 17:13

Thankfully, others have been consulting with lawyers too:

fairplayforwomen.com/changing_rooms/

CharlieParley · 30/03/2019 16:12

^have not hax

CharlieParley · 30/03/2019 16:11

Stephanie is wrong of course, given that the EHRC was forced to issue a statement last year correcting their earlier misrepresentation of the law that purports that self-identifying males hax the right to access. They didn't, alas, change their guidance to businesses and service providers in line with their clarification, choosing instead to quietly delete some of their most egregious errors.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 30/03/2019 16:07

told that legally they had to accept boys identifying as girls

Who told them? GG won't be able to pass the buck to Stonewall when shit hits the fan, because Stonewall has no legal competence.

LizzieSiddal · 30/03/2019 15:08

Could Stonewall/Mermiads etc be legally warmed that their training material is —lies— incorrect?

HawkeyeInConfusion · 30/03/2019 15:05

Thats a useful letter.

I have previously stated some of the points in an email to Girl Guides. They ignored most of the points in my email stated that the had been told that legally they had to accept boys identifying as girls. But if they got their advice from Stonewall them of course that is what they would have been told.

McTufty · 30/03/2019 14:48

datun

Maybe but I never tweet and would like to be able to respond and engage with what Stephanie says so I hope she will do so with me here.

Datun · 30/03/2019 14:43

Of Stephanie says that's wrong, presumably they will clarify on Twitter.

KatvonfeelzlikeaMAN · 30/03/2019 14:41

That's very useful. So many organisations need to see this!

barelove · 30/03/2019 14:27

Red Yep, I've printed it and stuck it above my desk to remind me that there really are legal facts to refer to (as opposed to the fantasy that has spread like wildfire over these issues). Seeing this daily will remind me that sanity can prevail Smile

McTufty · 30/03/2019 14:27

Stephanie I know you’re reading as you’ve tweeted that this is wrong - please would you engage with me in a civilised legal discussion between lawyers of why you say this letter is legally incorrect?

Chaotica · 30/03/2019 14:24

That's a really useful letter. Thanks for posting it.

Datun · 30/03/2019 14:23

Excellent clarification.

McTufty · 30/03/2019 14:18

Exactly. I have no idea how Stonewall etc have got away with outright lying to people about what the law is.

They are free to campaign to change it but should not use their proud reputation to mislead as to the present position.

Ereshkigal · 30/03/2019 14:12

Unfortunately, despite several approaches, the papers failed to print it.

Wow. Surely that's edging close to discrimination itself?

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