The irony of a male asking a woman to justify why 'cis' is offensive

I love that clip of JH-B. “I won’t have that BBC claptrap on my show” fantastic!

The men in my world fall into two groups:

Never heard of the word cis.

Have heard of it and hate it/think it's stupid.

It's a sneaky way of redefining the Set "Women" so that it contains two subsets "Cis" and "Trans" and thereby including the subset "Trans" in all laws that reference "Women" by semantic sleight of hand rather than by actual legislative change.

'Cis' is offensive to our intelligence and to the truth. It's forcing us to talk as if there are two kinds of women - biological female ones and biological male ones. Which of course is utter crap.

Woman means adult human female.

Definitely FermatsTheorem Ereshkigal. The "comedian's" bemused persistence is what makes it perfect.

Had not seen the tweet in which cis is added onto terf and transphobe before. Gives the lie to the assertion that cis is a neutral term for people of any gender who identify with the sex into which they were born.

As I said on another thread, 'cis' is used to simultaneously convey a supposed 'privilege' and utter inferiority.

That's a hell of a trick, but we're not having it. No.

That's why Rachel McKinnons rant was "you are terfs, you are transphobes, you are cis"

Yes, that’s very telling. ‘Cis’ is an insult.
Women who accept that term in their happy docility are colluding in their own oppression.

Because use of 'cis' makes us a subset of our own sex -

This. It's othering and lessening.

In UK in the 2011 census was 63 million, of whom 31 million were male and 32 million female.

There’s one million more women than men in UK but we can’t have our own equivalent word to men for our sex.

[Soz, bit more...]

whether you're male or female isn't determined by your body

This is why there's no one word for biological woman or man, just 'cis woman' and 'cis man'. It's because according to the ideology, the body is irrelevant to the fact of someone being male or female.

A cis woman is a person who was 'assigned female at birth' and has an inner feeling and attitude that matches being female, and is therefore female.

A trans woman is a person who was 'assigned male at birth' but has an inner feeling and attitude that matches being female, and is therefore female.

It's nonsense. 'Cis' is nonsense.

Cis means 2nd class person who is lower in status to biological males.

This is why cis is not used to describe men.

That's why Rachel McKinnons rant was "you are terfs, you are transphobes, you are cis"

They were asserting their superiority and making a point that woman were not equal. Women who say they are allies and are happy to call themselves cis should take note of McKinnons revealing outburst

That's why the accusation of cheat hurts most. McKinnon believes that asserting their dominance is legitimate. That's it pure and simple. They think they are a better class of person who is superior and should be rewarded for and is entitled to their superiority.

Cheat cuts through that most

Also see McKinnons recent comments on toilets.

McKinnon thinks they should have more rights and entitlement to toilets and other facilities than other people do. Certainly more than minority religious groups who culturally will be forced out of certain activities and places completely having the nerve to call them bigoted in the process rather than recognising the very real barriers those people have.

McKinnon is an over privileged white supremacist. And certainly does not have the interest of any woman at heart. Not unless they are 'woman supremacists'.

'Cis' means you believe in the core of gender ideology: that whether you're male or female isn't determined by your body, but by inner feelings and attitudes. It's clearly nonsense and likely to cause all kinds of problems (like male-bodied people in women's sport, for instance).

Yes, totally agree.

Ereshkigal, that's why the accusation of cheat hurts most. McKinnon believes that asserting their dominance is legitimate. That's it pure and simple. They think they are a better class of person who is superior and should be rewarded for and is entitled to their superiority.

Cheat cuts through that most.

They were asserting their superiority and making a point that woman were not equal. Women who say they are allies and are happy to call themselves cis should take note of McKinnons revealing outburst.

Absolutely, Red.

Men are rarely called cis as the debate is always about women giving up our space.

Just like men dont get called " prostate havers. "

Hence a few woke bros happy to use the word when giving women a good drsssing down. They know they wont actually be expected to take it

Cis means 2nd class person who is lower in status to biological males.

This is why cis is not used to describe men.

That's why Rachel McKinnons rant was "you are terfs, you are transphobes, you are cis"

They were asserting their superiority and making a point that woman were not equal. Women who say they are allies and are happy to call themselves cis should take note of McKinnons revealing outburst.

It's not really just a male female issue. Do you think men want to be called cis?? It's a horrible word, it sounds like sissy!

Why do they think that "not trans" would be in any way less offensive than "on the side of your birth gender "

It's only ever used for women, so again, its women being defined by their "not men" status.

Oi brendan, you twat.

Black people aren't "not white"

Gay people aren't "not straight"
Men arent "non women"

Atheist aren't "non christians"
We don't define things by what they are not.

You can call me heterosexual because I am attracted to people of thr opposite sex

You can call me a woman because I am

I have no feelings of gender so you cannot call me cis. And I most certainly will never be "not trans"

Are biological men ever referred to by anyone as cis- men? Is that a thing?

Love the video btw, thanks for letting me see that

They are trans jelly, according to Stonewall.

Are people with no gender identity cis or trans?

That's the thing that makes it so joyous the bafflement: "but, but, but... I'm the one with the testicles of objectivity... What do you mean, this is your space and you're in charge... Women can't be in charge, they're just meant to be there as an adoring audience... What, you're threatening to throw me out.. you can't do that... Splutter.. testicles of objectivity... Splutter... Oh, you can throw me out... Does not compute... Does not compute... Does not compute..."

Kaboom. Misogynist bot explodes in confuzzlement.

That woke comedian guy, so baffled by her vehemence and clearly wanted to tell her she wasn't allowed to say that "trans women" and women weren't the same thing.

Me too

I fucking love that clip, always puts a smile on my face.