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New Joan thread on the vile abuse she's received

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WinnieHug · 29/03/2019 21:09

I've just seen a new thread from Joan McAlpine MSP about abuse she's received. She's calling on Scottish Trans Alliance to condemn it.

twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1111706790130040834

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OrwellianMinceanddumplings · 07/04/2019 18:29

Someone has posted a new thread about above article which (I think) was front page of Scotland on Sunday!: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553508-6th-Apr-2019-The-Scotsman-Joan-McAlpine-defies-bullies-in-sex-and-gender-dispute

littlbrowndog · 07/04/2019 12:31

That is a great great piece. No word salad.

Joan 💪💪🌹🌹

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/04/2019 12:24

Excellent piece in the Scotsman about this:

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/joan-mcalpine-defies-bullies-in-sex-and-gender-dispute-1-4903317

Smotheroffive · 05/04/2019 00:04

Yes, well done Joan, for not doing the easy thing, but doing the right thing
👏

EweSurname · 04/04/2019 21:31

She’s just tweeted again about cards

mobile.twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1113885533925707777

Smotheroffive · 04/04/2019 02:31

I too hope she might pop over here to get the odd refill of support as and when needed, or indeed if! Strong woman!

OrwellianMinceanddumplings · 03/04/2019 21:52

GM states they are "non binary" in this new article. www.heraldscotland.com/news/17548792.snp-councillor-faces-standards-hearing-over-offensive-tweets/?fbclid=IwAR0GKx7if-HDFfaZFBZRRqq6ZQKg4hU6KGu2SJlkAWLAEQhxRPJZ8aw3c4w
Meanwhile, EM/Piro (someone posted their Twitter link above) is still ranting (mainly to themselves) they hate Terfs but this term doesn't mean women because Glinner is one. Guess they have never heard of the term Feminist Ally because only those with lived experience as women are feminists.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 03/04/2019 20:54

All credit to Joan - hope that she knows how well supported that she is on here.

EweSurname · 03/04/2019 20:52

andy nope, not the only one!

morningtoncrescent62 · 03/04/2019 20:45

Joan has previously posted photos of her thank you cards that people have sent in support of her so well done to those that sent them!

Oh good, I hadn't seen her posting those - I've sent her three cards so far, after someone on here suggested it. Glad it's having the desired effect!

OrwellianMinceanddumplings · 03/04/2019 19:46

andyoldlabour and terryleather
It's not as if there's anything to be gained from identifying as a non bloke Hmm
"Labour Students Women" tweeted today:
‏"Studies have suggested that women are at least 50% less likely to consider running for roles. This is why it’s so important that we encourage women to run for political roles. Quote tweet this and @ some women/non-binary people who you think would be great Labour MPs!"

terryleather · 03/04/2019 17:07

Am I the only one who thinks that Councillor Gregor Murray is a bearded, abusive, mysoginistic bloke?

He absolutely is...however he happens to identify as an oppressed wokebro so everyone else must stfu and centre him and his ilk's narcissistic demands.

Ridiculous puddock.

andyoldlabour · 03/04/2019 16:36

EweSurname

Am I the only one who thinks that Councillor Gregor Murray is a bearded, abusive, mysoginistic bloke?
I am sorry but this pathetic charade has to end, because good people are being hounded and abused for no good reason.

RepealTheGRA · 03/04/2019 13:20

Mr Murray comes across as an abusive tit in that article, doesn’t ‘they’?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 03/04/2019 13:14

I hope the standards commission sort this out. Murray is a disgrace. It appears a GM also engineered a pile onto the Women and Girls in Scotland survey. They received really vile abuse. Just more misogyny masquerading as woke...

twitter.com/WG_Scotland/status/1113041641886138369?s=20

OrwellianMinceanddumplings · 03/04/2019 12:52

The Times article (though the headline is OK & quotes by Joan good) is minimising this as I have only seen Joan being respectful-that is not "Tit for Tat". Also saying GM doesn't want to be referred to as "he" should have stated not "she" either. I see "they" was posted by them, as preferred pronouns, on their own Social Media. Using "health" as an excuse to bow out again -this seems to be a pattern (PR, who has been charged with Police, used that too). What about the health of women who are being threatened?
The Courier article is better, I think, as it focuses on the perpetrator of online abuse (though I don't think it is a "spat" either) & has a photo of "them": www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/862183/dundee-councillor-to-be-hauled-before-watchdog-accused-of-insulting-and-offensive-language-towards-public/
I saw on GM's Linkedin page that they state they are currently "District Scout Network Leader" & "Scout Active Support" for the Scout Association.

EweSurname · 03/04/2019 08:46

Joan has previously posted photos of her thank you cards that people have sent in support of her so well done to those that sent them!

EweSurname · 02/04/2019 21:10

Thread on Murray

twitter.com/WG_Scotland/status/1113041641886138369

Smotheroffive · 02/04/2019 14:50

white privileged males to claim oppression while abusing women with impunity
Utter wank..agreed

Popchyk · 02/04/2019 14:32

A lot of the anger of those individuals will now turn on the organisations that profit from transgenderism. Stonewall, Trans Pride, Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids, etc. These are now The Establishment.

The bigger organisations cannot be associated with threats of violence for too long (because they need government funding). So they have to be seen to cast out the worst of the extremists. The result of this will be that the extremists will turn their ire on these organisations for abandoning them as they will no doubt see it.

After all, what is the point of being transgender if you are not allowed in the transgender organisations to wield power?

You're just a person.

Giuliana is going after Pride in London for not stamping on non-believers hard enough. We'll see a lot more of that, I predict.

terryleather · 02/04/2019 14:22

Identifying as non-binary, a nonsense term with no actual basis in reality other than an individual's feelings, would appear to allow white privileged males to claim oppression while abusing women with impunity.

Its a pile of utter wank.

OrwellianMinceanddumplings · 02/04/2019 14:14

Yes Popchyk. Ironically, the quote from TPS, in above article, is by none other that the person who says MNettrs are "doxxing" them- the first time I (expect most women) heard about them was in article you posted Hmm
Ellie Aradia Mulreany, a representative of the Trans Pride Scotland committee, said: We have a zero-tolerance policy towards violence and harassment.
This FB name/link is visible on their Twitter profile where they continued harassing Joan, having previously tweeted veiled threats against any women who, they say, are "Terfs" (i.e. women who don't want male bodied people in our sex segregated spaces/sports). Today's little Tweet, following a suspension, says we are also:
T R A S H.
They have said that they are no longer involved in the TPS Committee (saw posted in here/online by others).
Hoist by their own petard.

Smotheroffive · 02/04/2019 14:11

I seriously can't get my head around the extreme levels of aggression that's going on (against women again).
Throat-punching?!!! Diaf!!!
Is this 'their' norm,, as it does seem to be.
I hope Murray gets booted out for harrassment; despite complaints to others its not how those in public office generally carry on!!

Popchyk · 02/04/2019 12:34

Dundee is the Leeds of Scotland.

The article linked upthread shows Murray up for exactly what he is.

The Dundee Courier is doing some great stuff right now. Shining a light on some very dodgy goings-on.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/853561/headliner-pulls-out-of-trans-pride-dundee-after-calling-for-feminist-group-to-be-throat-punched/