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Rachel McKinnon suspended from Twitter

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Nephilim1964 · 29/03/2019 18:37

Apparently telling women to 'die in a grease fire' is hate speech. Who knew?

Have a great weekend everyone!!

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HorsewithnoDoubt · 05/04/2019 16:36

I had to google MAMIL

Lol

nauticant · 05/04/2019 16:28

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/04/2019 15:59

'Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of Assertion and Why You Don't Need to Know What You're Talking About'

uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/handle/10012/6619

On the basis of this, RM has been known to tweet 'I am a Doctor'.

I don't know anyone with a PhD and an ounce of integrity (unless they're also a medic) who would say 'I am a Doctor'. 'I've got a doctorate' or 'I've got a PhD' is the norm (if it's actually relevant). And I know a lot of people with PhDs.

DodoPatrol · 05/04/2019 15:37

Has a doctorate in 'why facts aren't necessary' (I may be slightly misremembering the title).

DodoPatrol · 05/04/2019 15:36

A fairly typical MAMIL who identifies as a woman and sometimes beats women in cycle races.

UnPocoLoco2 · 05/04/2019 15:27

Who is Rachel McKinnon?

andyoldlabour · 05/04/2019 12:48

"They all have terrifyingly low body fat. Bone, muscle, sinew"

I wish I could turn the clock back to when I was racing, I felt so fit, so good. In the Summer I used to have a couple of weeks off and go cycling every day, doing between 70 and 100 miles each time.
What we have to remember about RMK, is that they came to cycling quite late, started off riding on the road and only changed to the track about 18 months ago. RMK according to their own speel has put on a lot of weight for the track.

TowelNumber42 · 05/04/2019 10:15

I know a few elite cyclists. They all have terrifyingly low body fat. Bone, muscle, sinew. When I see pictures of RMK, I don't see the same. It always strikes me as odd.

Justhadathought · 05/04/2019 10:02

Personally find so much of the track and pro cycling world to be insanely macho. And the 'amateur' guys you see on public roads dressed in their Team Sky Sports gear are often arrogant beyond tolerance.It's got to the point where I feel an almost instant antipathy when I see any of them.

andyoldlabour · 05/04/2019 09:29

Here is the ticket information for Manchester, just so that we can go and "cheer" McKinnon on.

www.cyclingmasters.com/site/spectators/ticket-information

I looked at last year's events, and the men's events are pretty much fully subscribed and the cyclists are of a very high quality indeed, whereas the women's events are not, hence the reason why McKinnon was able to win. If the great Australian rider, Anna Meares came out of retirement then McKinnon wouldn't stand a chance.
If McKinnon competed in the men's event they wouldn't get a look in. Last year Arnoud Duble from France won the men's sprint, and he still holds a French 500m track record which he set back in 2001.

www.cyclingmasters.com/site/past-champions/champions-2018

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_records_in_track_cycling

ErrolTheDragon · 05/04/2019 07:34

Yes. While on the one hand at least that dispute highlights the complete unreasonableness of RM, the danger is that sporting bodies may view Bearden's line as an acceptable compromise. But there shouldn't be an assumption that any sort of compromise from sports being segregated by sex is appropriate acceptable to women. There is no rational basis whatever for segregating sports by 'gender identity'.

Datun · 05/04/2019 07:22

Strewth. Two male born individuals arguing over exactly to what extent they can game the system in order to fuck women over.

FloralBunting · 04/04/2019 18:03

I need that GIF of Jennifer Lawrence spitting out her coffee as she laughs.

EweSurname · 04/04/2019 17:56

This was a fun read

amp.usatoday.com/amp/995434001

The dispute between Bearden and McKinnon is personal as well as intellectual. They’ve never competed against one another — Bearden is at the highest pro level — but Bearden says she asked McKinnon to leave her cycling team last spring because of their visceral disagreements. McKinnon then formed her own team and members of each cycling club mostly share the orthodoxies of their respective leaders.

HellAndDegenerates · 04/04/2019 16:20

someone outside the Manchester venue selling Adult Human Female t-shirts would be good, bound to cause trouble though.

theOtherPamAyres · 02/04/2019 13:32

McKinnon's mission to get to Manchester in October, to defend the Cycling Championship, will be a barometer.

In theory, a lot of t-shirts should be sold and a crowdfunder will be boosted by trans people putting their money where their mouths are. Sponsors in Canada, the USA and UK, who purport to be inclusive and support trans rights, will fall over themselves to make it happen, surely?

I will eagerly watch the Twitter space to see how this pans out.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 02/04/2019 13:30

McKinnon is a lot more effective for he GC caus than anyn else I can think of.

Surprising the ban happened in the first place, abusing women seems fine? So not surprised it was overturned.

Ereshkigal · 02/04/2019 10:47

I paraphrased Grin

DodoPatrol · 02/04/2019 10:46

They're welcome to the more egregious trappings of femininity.

And it is indeed quite a spectacle.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 02/04/2019 10:43

Grin no, no words needed. As the court records show, many many appearances for dishonesty...

Ereshkigal · 02/04/2019 10:30

The latest hot DARVO take from McKinnon's Twitter followers is that gender critical women are just jealous of the spectacular femininity of MTF trans people. Thats why we are so inexplicably nasty to them, apparently.

I don't think any comment is needed.

ErrolTheDragon · 02/04/2019 10:22

Boudicca - suggest that if you don't want to get posts deleted, 3 of which earns a suspension, you read and abide by the MN guidelines. They're what allows us to remain open for sane discussion, and they're not too hard to work within. That's why you'll see a lot of pronoun-avoidance.

www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette

www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

hipsterfun · 02/04/2019 10:13

No, Boudicca, but the great bunch of lads people who keep tabs on us will.

ToeToToe · 02/04/2019 10:12

McK is allowed to threaten women with violence, and incite violence against women on twitter, but we can't correctly identify them as male - or name this as male-pattern violence against women. On Mumsnet.

McK is a threat to women's rights, speech and safety. And is coming to Manchester Hmm

hipsterfun · 02/04/2019 10:11

Yeah, but the more you evade reality, the harder it slaps you in the end.

Their Twitter connections aren’t friends at all; real friends keep it real.