DH having GC conversations at work/gender neutral toilets

If ever there were proof that this was all bullshit then gender neutral toilets for the women only was it.

We have no idea the gender of the urinal user. Not all men have penises. Penis havers can pee infront of other gendered people.

Whats good for the goose is good for zirgander

Theyd have to pay the service to clean them. And transmen arent as loud a d annoying about their "rights"
Op why did the junior partner get arsey? Surely she should be happy with both toilets being gender neutral?

It doesn't matter if you see some dick at the urinal as it could be a lady peen. I've been told perfyness is the same as racism.

Surely it’s easier just to slap a few Sanpro bins on the gents to make them hwnget fluid or whatever the term of today is? Women, after all, can have penises can’t they? Hmmmm?

Well, to make the mens loos gender neutral (ie available to men and women) or even to be available to men and transmen, they would need to have sanitary bins.

They wouldn't normally. So they would have to be added.

Which would be way more difficult than simply putting a sign over the female loos saying 'gender neutral'.

I imagine that one of the reasons that it is the female loos that are made gender neutral is that toilets used by women must contain sanitary disposal bins.

I don't understand the logic?

I imagine that one of the reasons that it is the female loos that are made gender neutral is that toilets used by women must contain sanitary disposal bins.

I would urge everyone in a workplace that has a 'trans people can use anywhere they feel most comfortable' policy to check with their HR department that the men's contain sanitary disposal bins (or go and take a look). Because the reason most of these policies exist is that no-one knows about them. I should think if men noticed sanitary bins in their toilets they might begin to ask questions.

I would also rather use the 'male' loos, than be in the 'female and anyone who wants to be in the female ones'. The 'normal' men will be in the mens, while pervs (NOT saying all trans people are pervs before thats twisted, but of course pervs will be attracted..) in the womens.

There is no reason at all to make the female areas gender neutral (though I would argue all loos and such ARE 'gender neutral anyway as they are based on sex) and leave the male alone. If anything, it should be the males converted to be unisex for the duration. But even that I would think is a bit unfair on men.

Yes! Use the men’s and throw a holy fit if
someone tells you that you can’t.

Interesting, I worked in a very old residential building converted into offices and a lot of the loos were simply a single enclosed room and thus were unisex. Whenever they had an event and external guests were invited, they always converted the single unisex loos into single sex loos - so the exact opposite of what is happening in the OP.

Indeed, because I'd rather use the gents than the female-and-others toilets, because at least then you're in with men who haven't gone out of their way to encroach on your boundaries. The safer men to pee next to are likely to be in the men's, so I'll go there.

I would be interesting to see who uses it and if it’s their first choice.

My employer has gone Gender Neutral toilet obsessed, but thankfully, for now, it's in addition to single sex.

People aren't happy about it.

What? So premiums will rise. I wonder if facelifts abs hair transplants will also be covered?

He has also told me that the firm have recently said that gender reassignment surgery will now be covered on the employee private healthcare programme.

Good. Rather that than the NHS.

"Why is it always the women’s loos that become unisex and not the gents?"

Maybe the logic is that there won't be any urinals out in the open or semi-open. Or it could be that there will be those who wish to use the women's loo who'll yell and scream and stamp their feet if they're not allowed, whereas with the men's, not so much.

No they’re allowed if the sinks are in the cubicles which these are

There is no legal requirement for the sinks to be in the cubicles in mixed-sex toilets. The only requirement is that the cubicles must be fully-enclosed.

www.hse.gov.uk/pUbns/priced/l24.pdf

(the relevant parts are Regulations 20 and 21(3))

I work in a big law form and posted this week about our firm announcing they were partnering up with stonewall and were putting together a host of changes. I'm appalled. We need to protect our safe spaces, especially at work where we can spend 8-12 hours a day and where so much workplace bullying takes place. Law firms are notoriously misogynistic places to work. Even in firms like mine where the majority of employees are female the vast majority of top management are men.

I plucked up the courage and emailed my female boss about my discomfort and she looked into all and told me she agrees!! We need to challenge the silence and not be afraid to speak up! Yes some colleagues probably thought I was being homophobic by attacking stonewall but the more we speak up the more chance we have of protecting ourselves.

I mean, why the fuck are women constantly expected to budge up to accommodate men?! Leave our spaces/ sport/ education/ refuges/ prisons alone!!

Could OP explain why her husband’s firm does this? I don’t get it at all

Why is it always the women’s loos that become unisex and not the gents?

Good to read that MrsFogi it might be making the woke ones think a bit

I doubt it as she hasn’t said anything, just that she would if it happened. I’ve worked at a couple of big city law firms and now spend lots of money at them. I’ve never seen this happen at an event but would, like MrsFogi, object if I did.

Good to read that MrsFogi it might be making the woke ones think a bit.

In my job I spend a lot of money on big city law firms and if I ever attend an event where this happens I will (a) be having a word with the partners I work with and (b) use other law firms when I can (in the same way I try steer work away from those with a big gender pay gap and/or few female partners).

Where I work we have "gender neutral" loos in place of some single sex loos. Fortunately there are still single sex facilities available. At a recent conference a female colleague was up in arms that most loos are segregated - I very calmly explained that as a person who's had a man try to rape her in what I thought was a safe space, I really do not wish to pee or wash out a mooncup in unisex facilities. Other women on our table chimed in to agree.