TRAs try to ruin Mumsnet survey

Wouldn't they just say "this topic is off limits from now on" though?

At the heart of the issue is the mischaracterisation that its "about trans issues"
The centring is also an issue for additional reasons.

So why isn't MN being asked for a TR chat board?

Because the TRAs don't want their own TR chat board - they just want to silence us (i.e. women)

Jessica racism and ableism definitely gets deleted too - disablism usually goes zap magic quick!
Been surprised at some racism lately that's been left to stand though, they don't seem to be as quick at that for some reason

ok

I'm not saying I want that! I don't!

wow!

Anything with certain words or themes, yes.

Wouldn't they just say "this topic is off limits from now on" though?

What topic? Safeguarding & Women's Rights?

Wouldn't they just say "this topic is off limits from now on" though?

If they close FWR down, then the discussions will get into AIBU.

When will these people realise the more they try and silence people using abusers tactics, the louder it screams just why women and girls do not want them in their spaces?

Trans issues and Brexit are symptoms of something wider happening in politics and public accountability which isn't healthy in terms of debate.

They are both about trying to shut down conversation and shut out people who question things or hold those with power to account.

MN is crucial to women because they are particularly shut out of those conversations by circumstance, by economics and by good old fashioned sexism.

Even if MN did close FWR it would just mean we had to post in chat instead. Unless they close the site altogether how are they going to police every area of it. We are allowed to discuss whatever we want as long as it stays within guidelines.

After John McConnell's webchat here (last September) Suzanne Moore wrote:

Mumsnet scrutinise politicians more than any one else I have ever seen. They actually want answers. Its really impressive.

Independent article today, by Maya Forstater
'Has Penny Mordaunt got away with the worst Mumsnet performance ever?
Questions that Mordaunt didn’t answer started with the basics: what is a woman, can humans change sex, and in what circumstances is it necessary to distinguish between males and females?'
concludes:

"Female voters seeking straight answers to serious questions feel cynical and abandoned by elected representatives who won't listen or answer."

www.independent.co.uk/voices/penny-mourdant-mumsnet-gender-recognition-act-a8835621.html

Sadly Mumsnet is a commercial enterprise, I doubt they give much of a fuck about being on the "right side of history", they just want to pay their staff and costs and keep going.

If deleting the feminism boards means prospering, they ultimately will, don't you think?

It’s worth @MNHQ being mindful of the fact that issues of freedom of speech related to Transgenderism have really started to hit the mainstream media, and the general public are not happy that their right to free speech is being curtailed on this subject. If there’s one issue which will get the public up in arms it’s shutting down their/our right to freedom of expression. If MNHQ contrive a justification to close FWR down, and more widely to curtail its users discussion of matters that directly affect them and their childrens’ rights, I imagine the optics will not be too favourable.

Evoking history and who will be on the right or wrong side of it requires some careful thought and a bit of moral backbone. I think we can all see where this is headed.

After John McConnell's webchat here (last September) Suzanne Moore wrote:

Mumsnet scrutinise politicians more than any one else I have ever seen. They actually want answers. Its really impressive.

I agree with her - it is really impressive. Of course, sometimes politician's - and the NSPCC, and maybe Gok Wan ( )are left uncomfortable by the level of scrutiny - but never underestimate the Mumsnetter's ability to ask tough questions.

If politicians and high profile charities can't answer those questions - they need to ask themselves why.

Joani's thread is scarily true.

What an unsavoury bunch of characters shared the mumnets survey tweet. Shudder

I did the survey last week. Hopefully it'll be obvious from the influx of NASTY MEAN TRANSPHOBE responses which ones are actually real.

Mumsnet would be dead to me if they close either FWR or discussion on the impact of transactivism on women's rights & children

Yep, I only really spend time on the Brexit and FWR threads these days. I like the political analysis which happens in both sections. I’d have no interest in a ‘Mumsnet-Lite’ site.

I don't think anyone's trying to silence trans threads, there is sometimes good discussion and debate going on.

I agree. Whatever one's personal viewpoint on the debate, the fact is that this site openly and willingly hosts content that other forums / social media channels would delete for being transphobic hate speech. Of course, whether that's a good thing or not is a matter of opinion, and people will always make those opinions clear. But MNHQ haven't shown any indication that they're planning to change their policy.

-'get rid of the TERFs there and the Trans threads could be great'

So why isn't MN being asked for a TR chat board?

I wonder if many regular posters or lurkers from this chat board would invest so much time reporting, disrupting and attempting to control it?

Why the focus on one small groups hurty feels?

Because that group has corporate, political and institutional capture and is not a movement seeking rights for anyone who is actually oppressed.

Last May MNHQ were encouraging reports from TRA non-members via Twitter:

They did. They don't seem to anymore though - TRAs that spam the Mumsnet twitter timeline now are largely ignored.

But I'm very aware of the sort of pressure that must be going on behind the scenes.

Here's a twitter thread that is very relevant here:

twitter.com/joaniwalshi/status/1110261637301309449

Some (I said some not all ) isn't acceptable though and it's not to do with "silencing"

In your opinion?

Exactly, R0wan.

And yy to this Mumsnet would be dead to me if they close either FWR or discussion on the impact of transactivism on women's rights & children

There’s a lot worse on AIBU, inc racism and also ableism all over MN and I report it with nothing done. Why the focus on one small groups hurty feels?