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Our favourite genderology professor from Leeds does it again.

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HerFemaleness · 27/03/2019 00:48

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1110614526142095362

''A woman, for me, is someone who feels that they are a woman.''

Then somebody asks Sally if she feels like a woman. To which Sally replies

''Well I don’t feel strongly that I’m not so yes.''

And then Vulvamort wins the internet with this.

''So, to recap:
You don't feel like the thing.

But you don't feel strongly that you're not the thing that is a thing because it feels like a thing.

So you've concluded you ARE the thing.

Having earlier said: the thing is anyone that feels they ARE the thing.
Which you don't.''

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ColeHawlins · 27/03/2019 18:48

I should have RTFT. Fachidiot is so apt.

sackrifice · 27/03/2019 18:46

Oh dearie me Sally.

Our favourite genderology professor from Leeds does it again.
sackrifice · 27/03/2019 18:45

Lol.

Our favourite genderology professor from Leeds does it again.
ThePurportedDoctoress · 27/03/2019 18:45

I assume she is referring to the first illustrations of the female skeleton. Because obviously the female skeleton didn't exist until a man drew it. FFS.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/03/2019 18:44

She means it wasn't conceptualised in exactly the same way. There's a bit of confuzzlement among postmodern types between things existing and things being thought to exist.

And of course it is sheer hypocrisy given the transing of historical figures. I wonder if Sally has ever pointed out that James / Miranda Barry can't possibly have been trans because trans people have only existed for a few years.

ColeHawlins · 27/03/2019 18:34

Ask her if she feels strongly that she's not an idiot.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/03/2019 18:32

But that aside - is there anyone here who has a clue what Hines could possibly have meant by 'Before the Enlightenment the female skeleton didn’t exist'Confused. I mean, it's such a bizarre thing to say that she must have 'meant' something by it.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/03/2019 18:30

I note among the responses to the skeleton thing some from Dr Adam Rutherford, who presents Inside Science on R4, and does other science broadcasting. This one's good:

'There is a 10kya site in the Rift Valley which shows a slaughter including pregnant women. They didn’t have skeletons, but we know they were pregnant cos they had really stretchy undercrackers. #science'

BickerinBrattle · 27/03/2019 17:20

littlebrowndog

😂😂Gin

RunningWild12 · 27/03/2019 16:51

Can I ask ( a propos of yet another PhD student wanting me to download my brain to answer their spectacularly asinine PhD question) is anyone else slack jawed at the level of sheer bloody incompetence by so many (not all) MSc/PhD students? I'm guessing that now universities are just businesses it's a case of he who pays the piper (which is actually us, the taxpayer).
Didn't it used to be the case that only those who were in a very specialised area of work or wanting to be in academia worked on their PhD? Because now I do get requests from students who don't even have research abstracts, it's some daft question you might accept from a school student.
Not impressed.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/03/2019 16:34

The utter hypocrisy of Sally's position - postmodernism only applies selectively, when she wants it to. It's so blatant it would be laughable if the academy wasn't indulging this egregious nonsense.

RepealTheGRA · 27/03/2019 16:34

I can’t wait to hear her response to that one! 🍿🍿🍿

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/03/2019 16:32

Among the many excellent replies, this one is the most effective:

"MRKH
@MRKHvoice
Replying to
@sally_hines
,
@DeborahJaneOrr
and 3 others
Before John Money and his horrendous experiments on intersex infants and David Reimer, in the 1950s, "gender identity" didn't exist. Square that circle for me."

littlbrowndog · 27/03/2019 16:32

Such a funny twitter thread.

Were women just slugs dragging themselves abou5 befor3 the enlightenment

😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

RedToothBrush · 27/03/2019 16:29

“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Thats why Sally is digging up skeletons with no sex.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 27/03/2019 16:29

She’s embarrassing herself

RepealTheGRA · 27/03/2019 16:25

WTAF? Is she trolling? I just don’t know what to say?

Does she teach this shite to students? Do they not challenge her? Shock

LangCleg · 27/03/2019 16:21

She's still going! And this one's a doozy.

Deborah Orr: But, astoundingly, archeologists have no problem assessing the difference between male and female skeletons.

Sally: Before the Enlightenment the female skeleton didn’t exist

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1110916692996182019

terryleather · 27/03/2019 13:23

Single and Iused

Fachidiot is fabulous and could be applied to sooo many others as well as SH..

As an aside Haggard Hawks is worth a follow on Twitter - nice to have something interesting amongst all the tiresome nonsense from the fachidiots .

theOtherPamAyres · 27/03/2019 12:02

Sally Hines does a fantastic job of exposing the lack of intellectual rigour in Queer Theory.

I think she needs to speak out more - preferably on Jeremy Vine's show, on Woman's Hour, and have a regular column in the Guardian.

Her communiques are so enlightening about the Trans Validation Project. She is being very useful to the opponents of 'gender' and long may she continue!

Iused2BanOptimist · 27/03/2019 11:56

Terry "Fachidiot" My new favourite word.

RedToothBrush · 27/03/2019 11:52

Sally Hines self interest holds up Sally Hines 'professional' opinion.

MagicMix · 27/03/2019 11:49

It's like any article of faith. It is only possible to believe it if you just repeat it over and over like a mantra without ever actually thinking about it or muddle yourself up so thoroughly by over-intellectualising obvious things that your brain turns to soup. You compartmentalise it.

There was a time when I tried my level best to do this, out of a conviction that this was the correct thing to believe. I cringe myself inside out when I think of the time I tried to tell someone that because personalities have nothing to do with whether we are men or women, neither do our bodies. I can't fully explain how I got myself to a place where I could say something so utterly nonsensical, but it's weird - it sort of almost makes sense if you look at it out of the corner of your eye and don't permit yourself to think any thoughts that challenge it. I can still get myself back into the mindset to some extent if I try (though I'd never be able to sustain it now). You just have to believe in gender souls.

I always knew deep down that it wasn't actually true that 'woman' was a feeling rather than a material reality, but I thought that it should be true and that I should believe it if I was a good person. Honestly coming out of it felt exactly the same as rejecting Christianity as a child, just finally giving myself permission to listen to the little voice inside that said 'This doesn't make sense'.

Sally Hines must have this little voice but she can never listen to it now because she's built her entire career on the gender soul ideology. She can't abandon it without entirely discrediting a huge amount of her former work and jeopardising her position. She'll have pushed the voice so deep down that she probably hardly ever hears it anymore.

CharlieParley · 27/03/2019 11:45

I rarely feel like banging my head off the wall, but this debate is putting the walls in my house at risk. I had a looooong discussion this week with an Equalities person about the issue and walking out afterwards I just wanted a drink* and to seriously bang my head off the wall. Just to make this madness stop.

I just cannot fathom how people can truly, honestly pretzel their minds around like that and still function in other areas of their lives where basic thinking and logic are required.

*I drink very rarely. I feel the need for a drink maybe once every few years. It really was the strongest urge I've felt to numb my mind for decades.

RedToothBrush · 27/03/2019 11:34

Gosh. This is going to mean that there will no longer be a demand for abortion. You can just identify out of being pregnant. Though I suspect there will be religious transphobes who will still go after trans people who identify away the baby. Which can only happen to trans people born a certain sex... Oh wait Er...

head explodes

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