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Wings of Scotland court case

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/03/2019 16:39

Brief context:

Ex Scottish labour Kezia Dugdale said (in print) that Wings was a homophobe because of a tweet he made.

The reason I think this case may be of interest is because so far:

Chelsea Manning is mentioned. @WingsScotland says Manning is ‘brave’ & a ‘hero’ but has repeatedly been accused of transphobia for his language towards the whistleblower. ‘An empirical biological fact that he is still a man,’ Campbell tells the court.

.@WingsScotland adds that he doesn’t know Manning’s sexuality & says it has no bearing on accusations of homophobia. Various comments by Wings referring to Manning as ‘he’. Being a transphobe does not make you a homophobe, Wings adds.

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R0wantrees · 25/03/2019 17:10

Court now examining Stonewall’s definition of homophobia.

It will be interesting if they also examine Stonewall's deninition of transphobia.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/03/2019 17:06

It's interesting Dugdales team seem to be making the argument that if he is transphobic he must be homophobic.

So will see if court decides if that is true, and if court decides that stating biologocal fact is transphobic.

This case could have some interesting outcomes - I had no idea transphobia was going to be brought up in it.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/03/2019 16:56

I am reading with interest - thank you

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/03/2019 16:54

so Wings Of Scotland has taken Kezia Dugdale to court for defamation because she accused him of being a homophobe?

Yes.

More twittage:

Just in case things weren’t contentious enough, the court is now getting into whether Mr Campbell thinks Chelsea Manning is a woman or not. Mr Dunlop says if Mr Campbell is entitled to the view that Chelsea Manning is a man, aren’t others entitled to the view that CM is a woman?

Mr Campbell says “if I proclaim I’m Napoleon, am I? If I proclaim I’m black, am I?” He says people “should be allowed to live their lives however they want”, but he objects to “people ordering me” to say something he doesn’t believe is true - that Chelsea Manning is a woman.

Mr Dunlop and Mr Campbell are having quite a lengthy exchange about the difference between “transgender” and “transsexual” and the use of various pronouns; Sheriff Ross asks if this line of questioning is really worth pursuing

Next witness in the Wings-Dugdale case is Colin McFarlane, director of Stonewall Scotland.

Mr Macfarlane (apologies for spelling in previous tweet) says he wasn’t previously (before the March 2017 Mundell tweet) aware that Wings Over Scotland had any views on gay rights. Court now examining Stonewall’s definition of homophobia.

Mr Sandison - QC for Mr Campbell - is so far mostly asking Mr Macfarlane about gender self-identification, which has become a rather large subplot in this case. There is a “diversity of viewpoints” on the matter, they agree

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BettyDuMonde · 25/03/2019 16:45

Oh come on, Kezia, you are a lesbian! Stand up for same sex attracted people, especially women loving women.

Manning has tons of support, regardless of how Manning presents or who Manning has relationships with.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/03/2019 16:43

so Wings Of Scotland has taken Kezia Dugdale to court for defamation because she accused him of being a homophobe?

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/03/2019 16:40

Twitter thread here: twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/1110166929866739713?s=19

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