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Miss/Ms/Mrs

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gigi556 · 25/03/2019 06:06

I'm getting married next month. I'm not taking my husbands surname.

Bit of background which may or may not be relevant... I'm an American living in the UK for many many years. I'm also an Italian national but identify more as American which is where I grew up. As an Italian, I'm not allowed to change my surname so makes the issue a bit of a moot point. However, given the choice I'd rather keep my name anyway.

Do most people use Ms once married if they keep their name or would they have used it before then anyway? I've always used Miss without giving it much thought. I guess I've never liked the sound of Ms. Silly I know. Even though the point of using it is to be neutral, the connotation to me is feminist (not a bad thing but perhaps negative to some in society?) or divorced. Maybe I should buy a title so I don't have to use any of them Grin

Thoughts? Maybe these prefixes should be done away with for everyone. It's not something my other half has to think about at all! Angry

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Kennehora · 25/03/2019 23:44

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OldAndWornOut · 25/03/2019 23:42

I've always used Ms, which I started in the 80s.
I'm not really bothered now, but its on my bank card, and other bits and bobs.

Ella1980 · 25/03/2019 23:42

Why can't we just be like men and have one title regardless of marital status etc?!! Problem solved!

DrGradusAdParnassum · 25/03/2019 23:38

@MoreSlidingDoors

to others it’s a clear signifier that you’ve achieved the great pinnacle of life for women - you’ve found yourself a man, you lucky thing

Um... I'm divorced. XH abused our children, so I left him. So really, really lucky me. 😂. Still prefer Mrs, though. Just because Miss feels a bit little-girlish (to me) and Ms feels a bit feminist. And my rightful Dr title feels a bit 'look how clever I am'. But as I say, it's up to the individual.

Ella1980 · 25/03/2019 23:28

@MoreSlidingDoors

For me, my maiden name recognises my history and heritage of which I am proud. I don't see why I should have to "lose" that when I marry.

Fiance will just stay the same.

My boys have the same surname as my ex.

Sad thing is the surname family trees will stop with both myself and my fiance anyway. He is the last male in his line and my brother in ours.

LeatherFace · 25/03/2019 23:23

Of course men aren't equal to women. They are different. 6 isn't equal to 5. One may be bigger but neither are better.

I don’t feel this will end well...

MoreSlidingDoors · 25/03/2019 23:20

I go by 'Mrs', just because I like it more.

But to others it’s a clear signifier that you’ve achieved the great pinnacle of life for women - you’ve found yourself a man, you lucky thing.

Ms never appealed to me, as it sounded a bit aggressively feminist.

How is it aggressive to want the same privilege as men, ie to not want to announce your marital status as part of your name?

DrGradusAdParnassum · 25/03/2019 23:16

OP, which of the prefixes do you like best? I'd just use that one.

My 'real' title is Dr (PhD variety), but I never use it. I go by 'Mrs', just because I like it more. I kept my own surname, though. Ms never appealed to me, as it sounded a bit aggressively feminist. But it's all personal choice, and you should just choose the one you like best and which has the nicest associations for you as an individual.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 25/03/2019 23:10

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MoreSlidingDoors · 25/03/2019 23:00

I find it a bit "ownershippy". I'm double-barrelling fiance's name and my maiden name

Maiden name is a term stemming from ownership too. What’s your fiancé doing with his name?

Ella1980 · 25/03/2019 22:51

I'm very happily divorced and a Miss...didn't want to even acknowledge that I had even been married to such an evil pig! When I marry next year I'll remain a Miss at work but not sure if I'll change to Mrs at all. I find it a bit "ownershippy". I'm double-barrelling fiance's name and my maiden name ☺

starzig · 25/03/2019 22:49

I personally hate Ms. I associate it with divorcees.

starzig · 25/03/2019 22:48

Of course men aren't equal to women. They are different. 6 isn't equal to 5. One may be bigger but neither are better.

Shenanagins · 25/03/2019 22:47

I use all 3 depending on my mood, although rarely Mrs Dh name as that to me is giving personal information about myself, ie my marital status which men don’t do with Mr.

Most of my documentation use either Ms or Miss though.

MoreSlidingDoors · 25/03/2019 22:37

I'm not a feminist though.

You don’t believe women are equal to men? Wow.

MoreSlidingDoors · 25/03/2019 22:36

To be fair, I don't think I'd correct people if they referred to me as Mrs DPs Surname.

How will anything change if you don’t?

Doobigetta · 25/03/2019 22:30

I think Kennehora might be saying more about herself than about anyone else there...
Still pretty fucking rude.

Justhadathought · 25/03/2019 22:29

I always use Miss. I don't know, maybe I'd like to be a Mrs if I ever got married. I really don't mind. I'm not a feminist though.

You might well become one, though, when people start to address your husband instead of you, and you end up being financially dependent through having small children.

Justhadathought · 25/03/2019 22:26

It seems totally narcissistic and attention-seeking. I'd rather curl up and die than encourage people to come and fawn over me just because some bloke and I want to fuck each other and go to Tesco's together.

That does sound incredibly aggressive......

Committed relationships, especially marriage, tend to have a social function and a social meaning, value & presence as well as a purely personal one; and if in love it is natural to want to solidify that with a public announcement of some sort.

Justhadathought · 25/03/2019 22:20

Have to say I'm not keen on MS, but do tend to use it on official forms etc. If anyone asks me directly whether it is MS or MRS, I tend to say "Whatever.... I'm not bothered" - which is true.

What I do dislike intensely, though is that so many women actually look forward to using the " Mrs". They see it as a status thing. I've never wanted to be a MRS.

gigi556 · 25/03/2019 22:07

@Kennehora I think it's a bit harsh to say that everyone who has a traditional wedding is a narcissist!

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MaryLennoxsScowl · 25/03/2019 21:51

Mid 30s here, Ms, feminist. I knew people associate it with divorced feminists and thought that was a bonus. The only person who uses it (other than me on occasional forms) is my grandmother, who carefully noted my preference not to take on someone else’s name and honours that. Everyone else persists in sending Christmas cards to Mr and Mrs DH.

AnotherEmma · 25/03/2019 21:40

Kennehora
Wow, you are either spectacularly rude or spectacularly tactless! Whether you meant to or not, you have basically called me "narcissistic and attention seeking" because I wanted to celebrate my relationship.
Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet about your sister's wedding. No need to insult everyone else who had one!

LeatherFace · 25/03/2019 21:35

Im not a feminist

You don’t want equality between men and women? Confused

Kennehora · 25/03/2019 21:28

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