Another Mermaid statement: about Good Morning Britain and Caroline Farrow

Caro is on TalkRadio about 9.25am this morning too, with Julia Hartley-Brewer

I've said it before about the parent activists.

Look at where the 'i' is in the conversation. Its always about the parents not the child.

Helen Islan is exactly the same.

Piers involved in twitter spat over papooses

mobile.twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1109095719741345793

Just caught the end of that interview.
Susannah Reid didn't come across well at all. (Neither did Piers).
So rude to constantly interrupt and talk over a guest.

But you could see from about the age of three it wasn’t just the toys she played with it was as much as the way she played with them. “She didn’t really have many dolls, but what cuddly toys she had she would nurture and treat like babies, not at all like a boy.

We can't have little boys growing up to be nurturing and kind, can we? And of course, little boys play with toys in a completely different way to little girls, there's no overlap whatsoever.

I don't know the full details details but didn't Piers Morgan have an issue with fathers carrying their babies in papooses & suggested that this in some way represented a challenge to a man's 'masculinity'?

inews.co.uk/culture/several-dads-respond-after-piers-morgan-mocks-men-who-carry-their-babies-in-papooses/

Both atitudes come from a similar basis.
(sex-based stereotypes)

That was a very uncomfortable interview to watch well done Caro you did your best under awful pressure

She managed to explain why the surgery involves castration.

She managed to explain the problem with euphemistic language.

Everybody got another chance to read the tweets.

Nobody is saying that what she tweeted is not true, just that she's mean for saying it.

So as hostile as that interview was, lots more people will now know what Susie Green has done.

Well done Caro

I have a 4 year old atm.

I can see why he likes certain things. Often because they are things we like and we have encouraged. He lives them but there's definitely a sense of parent pleasing too.

Being emersed in the development of a 4 year old first hand, I guess I'm a lot more immune to historical rewriting of someone trying to justify their own mistakes.

It's blindingly obvious.

And yes as someone said upthread, Susie's distress at being challenged over it is completely bloody irrelevant. It's not about her and never was. It was about her kid. And it's particularly relevant now as she's trying to use other people's kids to justify her own actions.

It's funny how my husband managed to take care of a real baby (not just a doll) push a pram, change nappies, bath and dress the baby, and what's more, enjoy it, without anyone suggesting that he was really a woman in a mans's body.

In Susie Green's Ted Talk she describes how her child at 6 years old asked to have the operation to make her into a girl. Susie Green describes telling her child that they had to wait until older.

In this exchange a parent confirms the fact that there is an operation which will change a boy into a girl.

The 6 yr old child has then been told that this thing (which they may want more than anything) can only happen in 10 years.

The potential consequences of this for some children within some family dynamics should be pretty obvious to most.

I’m not watching, but from what I have seen of PM’s “interviews”, he just rants and never lets a guest get a word in.

They certainly didn’t want her talking about the cold hard realities of surgery. What was she trying to say about ending up with no bowel?

They hardly let her get a word in edgeways.

He’s an arse to everyone!

Why is Piers being such an arse to Caroline?

At 15 (which was when the operation must have been arranged and all the psychological testing going by SG's account of it actually happening on Jackie's 16th birthday) Jackie was not, in law, considered mature enough to:
Drive
Marry
Serve in the armed forces
Vote
Consent to sex
Smoke
Buy a knife
Leave full time education

I hope, I really do hope, that Jackie genuinely feels this was the right decision. But I'm still horrified.

Someone's asked me why 16 year olds can give informed consent to pregnancy and all the life changing risks/consequences that it entails

As someone who once was a pregnant (to term) 15/16 year old I would argue they can't give informed consent in reality. I had no real understanding of the reality and the long term repercussions- if I had I might have made different choices.

This is why we educate young teens and try to prevent teen pregnancy and why medical transition, something which is even more seriously life changing, should also be viewed with a slant towards prevention in the very young and immature.

Medical transition is not something that can accidentally happen in the same way pregnancy can so there is no good reason for it to be pushed for under 18s (and the suicide stats they love to quote don't hold water).

Why cant they accept that most people think what was done to Jackie was wrong at worst, misguided at best. There is no way 18m olds dressing up is a sign of anything.

4 year old little girls trying to chuck themselves out of windows because they want to be boys

I call bullshit. If that happened, it was not because the child was "mis-gendered".

She was born 18 years ago with all the physical characteristics of a boy and her parents named her Jack, but from being a toddler she acted like a girl. She always wanted to wear girls’ clothes and play with girls’ toys.

I was my parents' first child and also "different".

By that reasoning I must be trans: I was born with female genitalia and given a female name. When I was a toddler I never played with dolls but preferred my brother's trucks and army men. I always wanted to wear trousers and cried when my parents put me in dresses.

Turns out that I was "different" because I am: I have autism.

How in the world I grew up to be a heterosexual woman, ie adult human female, goodness knows.

Thank God my parents didn't decide to have my genitals mutilated to turn me into a version of something the thought I should be.

Yes, I think the weapomising of suicide is one of the most distasteful things about this whole movement. And all the TRAs, even the high profile ones do it.

And the thing that pisses me off is that the exact same people also say 'don't you dare call being trans a mental illness, that's what homophobes used to say about being gay' because they are also weaponising the homophobia of the past to coerce normal, liberal minded people into having to believe that humans can change sex and that men who say they are women should be able to take women's protections and rights.

Argh, just fuck off!

My DD preferred throwing her dollies across the room to 'nurturing' them. Memorably, she also enjoyed dismembering them with her Bob the Builder toolkit. I see now she was a boy all along, and I got it all wrong by allowing her to play with 'boys' toys and think that was natural and fun.

I just can't get my head around the thinking...

Most of all I feel sorry for Jackie and those like Jackie. My Ds is 15 now and so impossibly young to go through something like that - let alone having been on blockers and hormones already 😢

Caro is being hammered because she called things as they are, and those things look shocking because they are shocking.

the suicide card is like a get out of jail free card..all other bets are off if you can hold people over a barrel with the ultimate threat of death.

I've lost people to suicide and find the very cynical, deliberate misrepresentation of suicide stats to further a cause, deeply disrespectful and also very dangerous.

4 year old little girls trying to chuck themselves out of windows because they want to be boys?

a) Really?

b) if yes, really, then how can anyone say these children haven't got severe mental illnesses? There is this huge contradiction between 'just be your authentic self', draping everything in a rainbow, tacking T on the end of LGB, putting trans forward as just like being gay, and then saying that these children are so mentally ill that at 4 years old they will kill themselves if we don't let them 'transition'. You cant really have it both ways.