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Joani Walsh was at Accenture, says no trouble beforehand

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Yambabe · 24/03/2019 20:56

twitter.com/joaniwalshi/status/1109913794342457344

Thread there. Seems they may not have been asked to leave before the police were called after all.

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Thistledew · 24/03/2019 22:14

I do wonder why they were filming before the police showed up, if they had no prior indication that their presence was causing or likely to provoke an issue.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 24/03/2019 22:13

The statement from Accenture is damage limitation. Also known as a big fat lie.

FermatsTheorem · 24/03/2019 22:12

And yes, Yambabe's point is the pertinent one; one side (the TRAs) claim that Julia et al. were asked to leave before the police were called, the other side (Julia's) says the first they knew about it was when the police arrived. One side has to be lying. I know who my money's on.

FermatsTheorem · 24/03/2019 22:10

Sorry, my quote marks weren't a dig at you (I know how mobile phones misbehave); I was simply repeating the scare quotes in Pam's post.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 24/03/2019 22:09

It obviously should have been kettling

Yambabe · 24/03/2019 22:07

The statement from Accenture specifically said they had been asked to leave and refused, and that was why the police were called.

It would be normal at an event such as this that representatives of the organisers and in-house security would be involved long before it would be deemed necessary to involve the police.

The point here is that they weren't.

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FermatsTheorem · 24/03/2019 22:02

I don't think Pam's trying to say it's the same thing in terms of the way events unfolded, just that the same legal precedent is involved (with a strong suggestion - though I don't want to put words in her mouth - that in this instance the law is an ass.)

We've got another thread going on "Regulatory Capture" at the moment, where I raised the issue of "mission creep". What Pam's alluding to is an instance of this in action, I think. Law starts with situation where previous cases have led to violent breach of the peace, and gives police powers to act pre-emptively (miners' strike). Then gets extended to "kettling" at political demonstrations (which many of us found a really unsettling authoritarian over-reach at the time). Now extended to women peacefully munching pizza at an event for which they had quite legitimately obtained tickets.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 24/03/2019 21:56

theOtherPamAyres
Your comparison of women with tickets at an inclusive event to the miners strike and Kettering is risible

theOtherPamAyres · 24/03/2019 21:44

There doesn't have to be "trouble" before the police can use their powers to PREVENT a breach of the peace. (See case law involving the miner's strike, the 'kettling' of protesters and so on and so on and so forth)

The police spokesperson and the Accenture spokesperson both say that the group had been asked to leave AND refused. Presumably they then sat on chairs, ate pizzas and continued as though they were determined to remain.

The refusal was enough for the police to make a reasonable assumption that the group would have to be forcibly removed if they continued to refuse (and sit on chairs, eating pizzas).

Political rights activists KNOW this part of the common law and know how far they can go. In this instance, there was a positive result - no detention but maximum publicity.

Sparkyduchess · 24/03/2019 21:36

That was my impression from the video I saw - the first time they were asked to leave was when the police arrived?

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