Mother sues Croydon primary school over ‘pride parade’

The more I think about this the more disturbing it becomes actually. Boys and girls sharing the same loo has precisely fuck all to do with equality based on who you are attracted to, and even less to do with anything that a child of that age needs to be worrying about.

And thinking about it the spelling does seem quite suspect, purely because of the consistency at which the 'child' uses phase 3 sounds. For example, a child who has only learnt phase 3 sounds would have learnt 'er' so far, rather than 'ir' and 'oi' rather than 'oy'. But actually what a lot of kids at that stage do is miss out letters completely, so it would actually be spelt 'grls' because when they say the 'ir' sound they are only thinking about the final 'r' sound. When teachers are marking writing at that stage they are looking for the kids using the phonics they have been taught so far, even if it's wrong, but even bright kids won't nail every phoneme. 'Toilet' is actually plausible as it's phonetically spelt if you break it down, but again, because of the way we speak its more likely a child would spell it 'toilt' or 'toilut'.

I know I'm way over thinking this but actually it's quite interesting. And there is no way that a child came up with all of it (or any of it probably) themselves.

What are they teaching at this school if this is supposedly what a 4 year old has been inspired to write.

My take on it was that they are dreaming of the day when all boys can sit down to pee on a toilet instead of standing up and splashing everywhere to save on girls having to clean the piss off the floor.

Whole thing is utterly ridiculous.

Then you have teachers complaining how hard their day is and how they don’t get a break all day then schools come out with this nonsense.

Primary school is for teaching to read and write something that is obviously severely lacking at this school.

Why do primary schools need to get involved with Pride Parades anyway.

Interesting child that misspells both 'girls' and 'boys' but nails 'toilet'

Ooh MsJeminaPuddleduck, you are like Miss Marple. Agree with everyone else that no child ever had dreams of gender neutral loos. Whether an adult wrote it or a child copied it, it is wrong to use children in this debate

I have a bad feeling about this story. It feels like a set up.
I don't believe that's a child's handwriting.
I definitely don't believe that's a child's sentiment.
Who took the photo? And who wrote the whiteboard?
The photo isn't a picture of the child in question in any case.

Does anyone have a share token please?

Yeah, I can imagine what sort of people have dreams like that. Wouldn’t want them anywhere near a kids school.

But too many teachers are encouraging this. They really believe that the T are the most oppressed ever and by letting the T into their schools to share their stories and beliefs with children they are doing a good thing. You might find they are cowed by their HTs, the LBGT lead in their LA, even their union reps.

DSis is as close as she has ever been to just walking out over this. She knows the truth and the legalities but nobody is brave enough to stand up with her and say "no!" The older teachers are marking time and the younger ones are just doing what they are told to do... even the ones who question it. Remember they have all had training, they have all been to quite explocitly what is expected of them and how utterly horrid they will be if they disagree (read that as 'having their card makred' by some Great Unknown)

Universities have less control over the student body. If you look cloesley you will see that it is the student union and its offshoots that are utterly Woke and the establishment, for the main, trying to corral and control it without being authoriatarian - e as they are now merely businesses!

There is decaed of quiet changes to legislation that is feedng this. It won't go away quietly, it has becme too entrenched, snuck in under the radar!

That's why the Feminist boards here are so busy...

I emailed our school over a week ago to ask whether Mermaids or Stonewall or All sorts have any involvement in the LGBT education provided. Haven't heard back, this thread reminds me to chase tomorrow.

But too many teachers are encouraging this. They really believe that the T are the most oppressed ever and by letting the T into their schools to share their stories and beliefs with children they are doing a good thing.
And the universities are churning out thousands more young people with the same uncritical beliefs.
I am so afraid that this won't change until the teenagers currently 'transitioning' hit adulthood and realise what has happened to them - but by then it will be too late.

The LBG need to wake up fast. I fought clause 28 on the basis that people should be free to live their lives as human beings. The arguement for was that gay people would proselytize.

The behaviour of the trans lobby is exactly what everyone feared. How dare schools make children participate in Pride marches. This is brainwashing not education. I am soooooo furious.

If this was a lesson about MLK surely "I have a dream" would have been copied down from the whiteboard and so spelt correctly?

I can't see anyone of that age writing a G like that I must admit, looks like the sort you would do only after learning joined-up writing.

Yes, although the ridiculous focus on handwriting now means that some schools are teaching cursive from the off in Reception (although the other letters are print) but also have displays around the school done in cursive or pre cursive so a child who is learning print might have seen a g done like that elsewhere.

Obvs I'm clutching at straws here

I have a dream that they will then flush the toilet and wash their hands without being constantly reminded.

I have a dream where wee ones learnt to wipe their bums properly and then wiped their bums properly

That dream will come true on3 day

I can't see anyone of that age writing a G like that I must admit, looks like the sort you would do only after learning joined-up writing.

Teaching kids some people are married to people of the same sex is age appropriate. A kid of this age being asked to understand who uses whose loo and why is not age-appropriate.

Agree with all that I have no issues with the LGB part but strong concerns about the T part.

Likewise.

And as an aside, I get terrible grumbling from my Reception age DS when I make him go into the Ladies toilets with me if he needs a wee when we’re out and about. There’s a lot of complaints along the lines of “but these are girls toilets! The boys toilets are over there, look at the signs!”

He does not dream of a world where boys can use the same toilets as girls. He dreams of a world where he’s allowed to go into the men’s public toilets by himself when he needs a wee. (Which will happen when he’s older.)

Toilet had to be spelt correctly, because thats the important part of the message.

I don’t think ‘I have a dream’ is childspeak

The curved part of the lettering looks like someone who is used to writing in cursive as opposed to printing.

This is creepy

Yep. Layers and layers of creepiness.

Agree with all that I have no issues with the LGB part but strong concerns about the T part.

The letters look too well formed the ‘if’ is very clear. As a pp said there are no backwards letters. The letters are also on a line, it doesn’t go up and down or merge into other lines and the spacing between words is consistent. I struggled to decipher my DCs handwriting at that age although their teachers had no problem.

Yes, this tacking on for the T to LGB is working wonders isn't it.

I am perfectly happy for my Reception child to learn that some men get married to men and some women get married to women, and some people have two mummies/daddies whatever.

Im not happy for my kids to be taught wierd shit about boys and girls sharing toilets, or about boys who like pink being 'born in the wrong body'.

But I can't voice objections to the latter without it looking like I object to all of it.

It is a problem. I completely support education about and the acknowledgement of same sex relationships but with the T so firmly attached to LGBT you can't support one without the other.

Asking if Clare Balding has a wife, say, and discussing their marriage in class is very different from boys have periods, people can change sex and a boy with a willy is a girl because he thinks he is and likes glitter

BarbieJellyBabyBrain don't most kids learn to spell 'boy' and then add an 's' to make it plural?

They learn 'oi' first in phase 3 (usually Reception) and then learn 'oy' in phase 5 (usually Year 1, but can be end of Reception). Phase 5 is also when they are taught about the split digraph, although that takes a while to embed. They are also taught about choosing the 'right' sound when they are being taught about alternative spellings for the same sound and that if the 'oy' sound comes at the end of the word, it will be the 'oy' spelling. So then they would know that boy is spelt with 'oy'.

The other thing about 'boy' is that it is a word that the children see a lot all over the place (for example on toilets! ) so they would probably be quicker to learn the correct spelling, like other common words.

This looks like a child who has only been taught phase 3 but the handwriting betrays that level of development. There is something off about the handwriting, that I I can't quite put my finger on! And also they appear to have just bashed out this quite lengthy and complex sentence on a whiteboard, which seems strange as well somehow.

However, even in the unlikely event that the child actually wrote this, it's pretty obvious that it did not come from then, because kids of that age do not give a flying fuck about toilets!