‘I have a handbag therefore I am a woman’

Goodness me, “pile on”, really?

I don’t suppose they taught debating skills or critical thinking at your school, did they?

SimonJT You've had the fortune to stumble onto a forum where the average user recognises reality. A couple of the things you've said is problematic. Sorry 'exculpatrix’ beleaves in misogyny.

Mumsnet posted the forum guidelines at the top of this board;

www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

Pile on? Can’t see a pile on just people engaging with a poster, it’s called dialogue to those who aren’t snowflakes.
No need for the apology or the hate speech Excul

Thank you AssassinatedBeauty, I thought they were interchangeable words.

If people are staring at your gold lame handbag its probably because gold lame in the daytime is a bigger faux pas than diamonds.

Just a polite heads up @exculpatrix
TERF is a term that the mods have banned from Mumsnet. Dont blame other users if your post is deleted. Read the forum rules before posting.

Trait is a genetically determined characteristic.

Simon, no they’re not typically female traits. In the same way as stating gay men typically dress like The Village People is nonsensical.

Spokk, I thought norm was a shortened version of normative, I didn’t realise it was more a way of saying excluded.

What would be a better way of describing something non-typical, or is non-typical the main way to do so?

It’s as though any straying from the female norm is hugely attacked in the press as not being a real woman, you just don’t get that same level of negativity when a man doesn’t fit into a male gender norm.

Surely it's the other way round? Which is why men think they can't wear dresses and skirts, but women wear trousers all the time.

Does traits mean something different? English isn’t my first language, I thought norms and traits were interchangeable words.

Men aren’t nurses! [runs off dying of laughter] 🤣🤣🤣

They might be "female norms" in this culture in this time. They are not female traits. They are nothing at all to do with being female.

Because gender seems to be publicly viewed so differently for men and women, you don’t really see any public outcries about ‘feminine’ men, but you do see articles about women who don’t fit the norms of being female betraying their gender, then you also get the negative comments about women who are at the other scale and match all of their gender norms.

I remember when department stores were trying to force female employees to wear make up, so many people were writing awful things just because a woman didn’t want to follow a gender norm and wear make up at work. It’s as though any straying from the female norm is hugely attacked in the press as not being a real woman, you just don’t get that same level of negativity when a man doesn’t fit into a male gender norm.

Gender is sexist stereotypes, which a previous poster has proven with his nonsense about his partner having ‘female traits’. I am of the female sex and absolutely no surgery, drugs or acting out sexist stereotypes can change that.

Yes, cut out that c** crap.

Men may not ‘feel like a man’, but they’ve no fucking idea what it’s like being a woman. The lack of respect shown towards women’s privacy, rights and boundaries proves that.

I carry a wallet as I prefer them to purses, I wear men’s tee shirts, because they’re more comfortable and I do all my own building and diy. I’m still a woman.

Nonsense. Being female is rather more than liking nail varnish and make up give me strength why are we going backwards?

I make a lot of garments and jumpers for the little girls in my life.

What do they want?

Pockets!

When do they want them?

Now.

They take after me.

Gender is really interesting

If you're a bloke with nothing to lose.

he sometimes wears make up, nail varnish, loves fashion and is gay, so some typically female traits

Does he have a gold lame handbag for the cherry on the top of those female traits?

Identity is an odd thing, and it’s so different for everyone that it’s hard to rationalise.

And this is connected to being a woman... how?

They are typical female norms, just as being a nurse isn’t a typical male norm. Just because they are things we don’t like, it doesn’t prevent them being true.

FFs SimonJT! Make up? Nail varnish? Fashion? Typically female traits? Do you live in the 1950’s?
Those are not “ female traits” those are fucking sexist gender stereotypes!
I’m a woman - and I wouldn’t be seen dead in make up or nail varnish, and have zero interest in fashion. Stop swallowing the trans crap about gender.

What makes you male and what makes you feel like a man are different things. You're male because you belong to the reproductive class that produces sperm. What makes you feel like a man is something that is down to your personality, your upbringing, your socialisation, your culture and so on. If it's even something that you feel at all. I feel like a human being, who happens to be female, just like I happen to have brown eyes.