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‘I have a handbag therefore I am a woman’

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Lomondstripe · 23/03/2019 21:35

I’m not sure what the rules are here on posting screenshots of tweets, but I have just read the most INFURIATING thread on twitter where a talks about a gold lame handbag and red lipstick and how it marks them out as so CLEARLY a woman and stops misgendering and dysphoria. Great for them.

But, despite a veneer of gender fluidity and breaking down of stereotypes, why oh why oh WHY are we stating that femininity = female?! It’s utterly bonkers! Am I, a cisgender heterosexual woman, not as much of a woman because I don’t wear red lipstick and carry a gold handbag?

I believe this is what they call ‘peak trans’? Count me on side - I can sit on the ‘oh but maybe we should just be kind’ fence no longer and should have trusted my gut from the beginning!

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FermatsTheorem · 24/03/2019 12:13

LordProfFekkoPhD - I think it's a reference to this. wondermark.com/sea-lion-verb/

But there is some interestingly deliberately disingenuous posting going on on this thread... one might almost suspect (to continue the fishy theme) a fishing expedition.

FriarTuck · 24/03/2019 11:57

I don't own a handbag. I don't wear dresses or make-up. I have (men's) trousers with good pockets. I have a vagina. I've never had a penis. I'm a woman.
You may also cutout the first part and just start with 'I've never had a penis'. That works too.

LimeKiwi · 24/03/2019 11:45

Ah ok thanks spokk

Spokk · 24/03/2019 11:19

lime it is in response to simonJT’s comment that men are not nurses.

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 24/03/2019 10:57

Fishy comments abound.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/03/2019 09:50

What’s with all the sea life?

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 24/03/2019 09:47

Could the poster's comments be a red herring for a wider agenda? Just reading them has given me a haddock.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/03/2019 09:45

A what now?

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 24/03/2019 09:27

Any sea lions here?

No. Not at all.

reallyanotherone · 24/03/2019 09:15

The only time I had it explained me and could relate was when a trans friend said when they looked in a mirror (even when they were young), they saw a guy looking back at them that they didn’t connect to, but when they see themselves now in a mirror they recognise that person as themself

I know how to fix it then!!

I did a hypnotherapy course once and the theory was that making changes is difficult because you don’t recognise your new identity.

So if people lose weight, for example, they don't recognise the slimmer them in the mirror, so tend to slip back into their old ways. Hypnotherapy is supposed to help you view your new slim self as the person you’re supposed to be.

So by that logic hypnotherapy should help people who’s insides don’t match?

I don’t have a handbag. Or red lipstick. I am a man.

*Makes dr’s appointment for a DNA test to check chromosomes.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 24/03/2019 09:06

And a lot of (the famous) designers are male men. Often gay male men but at least they know the difference between men and women. I guess it’s all that looking at bodies that does it.

Mumminmum · 24/03/2019 08:41

So "loves fashion" is a feminine trait? Bullshit! some of the most fashion obsessed individuals I have known were all male. Though of course I never thought to ask them if the identify as male.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 24/03/2019 08:39

Any sea lions here?

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 24/03/2019 08:32

What does Terfy mean? It isn’t on translate.

No no no. I can see where this conversation is going and what the intention of this poster is. Anyone who engages is complicit in both this thread being derailed and possibly deleted.

It happens again and again and again.

Don't say (generic) you weren't warned and don't blame it on being goaded.

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 24/03/2019 08:28

he sometimes wears make up, nail varnish, loves fashion and is gay, so some typically female traits

Dear God in heaven. What a stupid comment.

EcclesThePeacock · 24/03/2019 01:34

a gold lame handbag and red lipstick and how it marks them out as so CLEARLY a woman and stops misgendering

Nah, mate. That just marks you out as a laydee who'll kick off if called 'sir' not 'ma'am'.

LimeKiwi · 24/03/2019 01:03

Sat 23-Mar-19 23:18:57
Men aren’t nurses! [runs off dying of laughter]

Where was that even in relation to that comment and why would men being nurses ever be funny? Confused

LimeKiwi · 24/03/2019 00:56

Link?
Sorry, no idea what this is referring to and a woman who nearly never uses handbags and stuffs everything in my pockets.
As for any make up - nope! Never

NellieEllie · 24/03/2019 00:56

Surely all Simon JT is saying is that make up, an interest in fashion is more common in women than men? Which is true. Maybe doesn’t appreciate, given English not his 1st language the nuances of “female traits” Doesn’t mean it’s universal and doesn’t mean that it’s definitive or instrinsically “female”.

S1naidSucks · 23/03/2019 23:50

I was slightly concerned that a pile on could be related to piles! 🤣

No, but you’ll find some posters talk through their arse.

PRoseLegend · 23/03/2019 23:49

I have a utility back-pack, wear jeans and flip flops, have short hair, don't wear makeup.
I must be a man.
But WAIT?!?!
I enjoy sewing, cooking, singing, and painting as hobbies, and I enjoy working in a job that helps people. I must be a woman!

No.
What makes me a woman is my DNA, my lady bits, and the lived experience of being a woman- including sexism, my opinions being looked down on as emotional frivolousness, my propensity to being too emotional to be taken seriously.
Oh, I also pushed a baby out and I breastfeed. These too, make me a woman.

Not what I wear or how I act. Womanhood is a state of being that can't be altered by surgery or hormone treatments.

SimonJT · 23/03/2019 23:45

I was slightly concerned that a pile on could be related to piles!

AssassinatedBeauty · 23/03/2019 23:43

"Beleaves" is a typo/error for "believes". A "pile on" is where lots of people join in with attacking someone.

S1naidSucks · 23/03/2019 23:43

Sorry Simon, it’s believes. 😳😁

SimonJT · 23/03/2019 23:39

I have no idea what beleaves means, or pile on, one day the English language will not confuse me, I’m off to see if google can help me out.

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