Word getting out

I was really excited about the fact that a couple of days ago a bloke I previously met talked about his 'non-binary sibling'. I had explained at the time that he probably wouldnt like me because I would probably be described by his sibling as a t*rf - he did actually treat me cooly soon after. Anyway. Saw him again and he referred to his 'sister' who is a 'lesbian' and he seemed friendly again. I can't describe how much that warmed me - the idea of a young lesbian stepping back from the brink of this lesbian-destroying madness.

Friend I've just made who is fierce and brilliant told me recently about her teenage daughter and friends - all GC, all versed in the theory and all determined to speak up. Made me SO happy.

DS2 told me today that that it's become a joke in his age group to suddenly say "Did you just assume my gendah?" and look daggers. They think the idea that anyone would announce their gender is screamingly funny.

He then told me this dreadful joke:

A: I'm campaigning against gender specific beds.

B: Boycott?

A: Don't you start!

Listened to a gender critical feminist conversation between three 13 year olds the other day.

Just saw this thread on twitter:

twitter.com/CholloDe/status/1108991479509331968

For the first time today, someone raised the issue with me rather than vice versa (context: different friend's daughter now going by 'they' and thinking about transition; friend who raised it said, 'I do think children shouldn't be making these huge decisions. Fair enough once they're grown up, don't you think?')

Agreed it's small steps. People are so frightened and intimidated but there's a huge relief when they realise it's OK to speak out about protecting children and maintain women's sport.

I tend to keep my thoughts to myself because where I live you can be figuratively tarred and feathered for expressing any dissension from the party line. The other day though in the breakroom, I overheard two coworkers discussing the subject of our company possibly installing gender neutral bathrooms, neither appeared particularly comfortable with the idea. Then I heard one of them trotting out the increased risk of suicide patter.

It came pouring out before I could stop myself. “Bullfuckingshit, that’s the line they’re feeding vulnerable, anxious parents to get them on board with fast-tracking their kids into transdom. It’s complete emotional blackmail bullshit!”

Fortunately for me, neither coworker is particularly ‘woke’, they’re nice people who just don’t know, and they let me talk and tell them a few things they hadn’t thought of. Resulted in me sending them a link to the Fair Play for Women suicide myths page, I’m hoping from there they’ll dip a bit deeper into the FPFW site. Baby steps.

Nono, I agree, accuracy is very important. This pedant salutes you. :)

Thanks for putting up with my pedantry - but I've seen the scoffing happen when details can be dismissed -- 'They don't even know what they're talking about, nobody was raped in a female prison!'

DodoPatrol, thank you, my mistake.

Agreed, Scrimshaw, but just a note for accuracy that KW was convicted of rapes that occurred outside prison, and of sexual assaults inside the women's prison.

I was shocked when rather than tar and feather me, several left wing, right on, guys on facebook actually supported me on a gender critical post.
They even pm me to support.

Everyone is terrified of calling this shit out.

In real life I've not met anyone yet who thinks transing kids or letting biological men into women's sport, is a good idea. I tend to have mainly left-wing friends too.

I've spoken to loads of teachers about it. They are all too afraid to say what we all think.

Keep pulling it's getting through

Really need to talk

Everyone does, it's not wrong or a taboo subject, it is important.

I think there is a growing undercurrent of anger at how the trans rights movement has stifled discussion, threatened and manipulated women, and attempted to overturn the rights of women and girls.

It's been a (very) slow wakening for me; it's a complex topic and not always one with very easy, clearcut answers. But people see lines being crossed. Once one questions tenets like 'TWAW', the whole premise shows itself as ridiculous. Gradually, the ridiculousness of it starts to show itself as deliberate gaslighting.

Once seen in that light, the actions of, say Morgane Oger campaigning to shut down a rape crisis centre, or Katie Dolatowski attacking girls in toilets and then being sent to a women's shelter, or Aimee Challenor protecting her rapist father, or Jess Bradley's history of flashing and more, or Karen White raping women prisoners, etc etc - it starts to make a very ugly picture of a mens' rights movement with sinister undercurrents, that has insinuated itself into the LGB rights movement and infiltrated policy at every level.

I'm feeling very, very sorry for the many victims of this ideology: Trans people who suffer gender dysphoria must have a really difficult time and all this won't help them. The kids subjected to untested and potentially dangerous medication. Those who undergo unnecessary surgery. Those who are told their mental health issues will be solved by magically changing sex.

And of course, the women who have been fighting this for years and being dismissed, threatened, doxxed, punched, insulted, stalked, intimidated, slurred and mocked. I take my hat off to you.

We've been sold a crock.

lottiebel123

I’ve had many conversations with my daughter like that and her friends and her are very strongly GC, way before trans issues really. My DD has always had comments about ‘dressing like a boy’ and is autistic.

I would discuss this with people but it never crops up in any of my conversations and I feel weird about mentioning it a propos of nothing.

There is a public toilet where I work. Last week there was a fella in there, granted he wasn’t wearing a dress but you know, a bloke still.
All the people I have mentioned this to in passing without fail have rolled their eyes and said silly sod, wearing a dress does not make you a woman. These are everyday working class people, the majority women.
It’s heartening to know this is what the majority of people think in real life.

A friend of mine is a Head of Year/teacher and she is furiously supportive of the things i said and do. But she simply cannot say so publicly.

Another friend has thanked me for opening her eyes to the entire issue.

Another friend has peaked several and/or been the safe space for others to out themselves as GC.

I've spoken to several old friends in the past week - only one aware of how bad it was getting, all horrified and adamant TWATW.

We do need to keep talking to get rid of the 'all nice people think this way' perception.

I've discussed this with my teenage daughter. She said that she hadn't done any reading around this subject and just assumed that TWAW etc because that's what she's been told. She's chatted with her friends about it (all late teens) and said 'Mum, they're gender critical like you, I'm so surprised"
The world is quietly gender critical, whilst politely obeying the use of pronouns etc..

We need a secret handshake

hah! yes

Was walking through my small town yesterday - two women walking behind me were talking about the "misgendered so I want money from Southern rail" case. They were quite cross to say the least, one saying how she'd had to turn off the TV she was so annoyed.

The TRAs are peaking the nation.

I was brave yesterday and spoke to my physio about it. She’s Australian and totally agreed, talked about most basic rights being upheld, safeguarding etc the idiocy of allowing any man into female spaces. It was really good!