Page 2 | Feminism-different things to different people?

Ella1980 · 2019-03-21T01:20:21+00:00

As the subject title! I often wonder things like... Can you be married to/in a relationship with a wealthy man and therefore not ever work but still be a feminist? I was once married to a very wealthy man who turned out to be the most controlling man alive! He was horrified when I returned to my career after having children as he was offended by the fact that this would "challenge his male role of successful breadwinner". I divorced him and made certain not to make the same mistake again! My fiance earns less than me on average. He doesn't define me by my gender and likewise and I love it ☺

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Ella1980 · 21/03/2019 08:14

The legislation about children remaining with their mothers was not signed off by women.

This part is incorrect though? There is no legislation as far as I am aware about children remaining with their mothers?

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SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 21/03/2019 08:04

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Crabbyandproudofit · 21/03/2019 03:33

Well the question was "Feminism - different things to different people" and the answer seems to be "Yes". The next question is "Is it really feminism if...?"

ColeHawlins · 21/03/2019 03:25

"Perhaps" you're just here to goad OP? 👍🏻

Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 03:22

I would imagine from the dictionary definition and the worthy academics definition you pretty much have it covered, but you can argue some.differences, but that's something you'll have to argue with someone else...have provided all I can

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Ella1980 · 21/03/2019 03:19

@ColeHawlins Perhaps I'm non-judgmental and accept there is not always a black and white answer to everything 👍

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Ella1980 · 21/03/2019 03:15

Partially, although not sure even in just the two definitions given here they agree with the other completely.

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ColeHawlins · 21/03/2019 03:13

Oh I give up Time for bed.

ColeHawlins · 21/03/2019 03:12

Try again;

I can't Cole either...liked this though
Have you ever been here before?**

I can't sleep but I'm just too tired for this

A belief (based on experience and/or analysis) that women in society are systematically disadvantaged and actively discriminated against because of their sex, combined with the commitment to challenge (through critique) and overthrow (through activism) the conditions that legitimate such discrimination, as well as the discrimination itself (Kemp, s & Squires, J (eds). Feminisms, series: Oxford Readers (Oxford OUP, 1997)

That's covered it.

ColeHawlins · 21/03/2019 03:11

I can't Cole either...liked this though
Have you ever been here before?**

I can't sleep but I'm just too tired for this

A belief (based on experience and/or analysis) that women in society are systematically disadvantaged and actively discriminated against because of their sex, combined with the commitment to challenge (through critique) and overthrow (through activism) the conditions that legitimate such discrimination, as well as the discrimination itself (Kemp, s & Squires, J (eds). Feminisms, series: Oxford Readers (Oxford OUP, 1997)

That's covered it.

Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 03:10

Have your answers now then?

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Ella1980 · 21/03/2019 03:09

This definition refers to equality...

feminism
/ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

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Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 03:05

There you go OP

Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 03:05

A belief (based on experience and/or analysis) that women in society are systematically disadvantaged and actively discriminated against because of their sex, combined with the commitment to challenge (through critique) and overthrow (through activism) the conditions that legitimate such discrimination, as well as the discrimination itself (Kemp, s & Squires, J (eds). Feminisms, series: Oxford Readers (Oxford OUP, 1997)

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Ella1980 · 21/03/2019 02:59

@ColeHawlins So what is feminism to you?

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 21/03/2019 02:58

Everybody being treated fairly is feminism IMO.

Isn't that equity, not feminism?

Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 02:57

I can't Cole either...liked this though
Have you ever been here before?

Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 02:55

The word woman actually makes you angry.
Nah, I do t get it.

Yes, feminism is about have equality of legal rights as the other half of the population, the same work rights and career progression opportunities, or to be treated with equal respect and value if you choose to SAH.

There are different ways of achieving that though, some believe its about changing capitalism, as it supports sexism and erosion of women's rights, some work for change from within as recognised groups, others as individuals. Women's spaces are part of feminist work.

ColeHawlins · 21/03/2019 02:55

I really can't tell if this is serious or not.

LeesPostersAreInFrames · 21/03/2019 02:42

Everybody being treated fairly is feminism IMO.

For me the thing that I'm struggling with at the moment is it seems to have fractured into two groups, over who gets to be considered a woman. That's not the feminism I initially signed up for, but it's where I'm at. One word makes me angry - "Womxn"

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Ella1980 · 21/03/2019 02:28

Just that I'm lead to believe that everybody being treated fairly is "not feminism"?

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 21/03/2019 02:24

Surely it's not about believing women are superior to men though?

Who has said that?

FinallyHere · 21/03/2019 02:22

want equality for both men and women at the same time?

Not really sure you could have equality for one without equality for the other , or have I missed something here ?

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Ella1980 · 21/03/2019 02:18

Surely it's not about believing women are superior to men though?

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ColeHawlins · 21/03/2019 02:12

Maybe it's more about everybody being treated fairly? Is there a word for that? So regardless of gender/race/background/religion/sexuality etc... Now that's a world I wish we lived in! ☺

How is that feminism?

But is that "discriminating" against men? Can you be a feminist and want equality for both men and women at the same time?

Have you ever been here before?