Edinburgh leaflets are a possible hate crime.

Trans "Pride" Scotland statement above is nothing to be proud of. They are defending the indefensible which is appalling, considering supporting VAW, in the context of promoting a supposedly "family" event. They don't need to ostracise the person but the clear statement in The Times should have been left as it was. To then backtrack as if women are somehow to blame is morally reprehensible & questionable if receiving any public funding. This is declaring Open Season to other people who, as long as they identify as the "victim" (of what- a flyer??), can continue threatening women and it certainly doesn't help the perpetrator take responsibility for their actions, to prevent re-offending in the future. I hope Police Scotland consider how this could actually inflame the situation as comments in the TPS FB post suggest women who are speaking up to retain EA2010 rights might pose a threat to anyone, when there is absolutely NO evidence anywhere to suggest this is the case.

'This seems to completely disregard those qualities that make us all uniquely individual – we are much more than our genitals or the body we have developed. How we feel and how our mind, and some would argue our soul, are arguable more important at defining us as human beings. We are not binary beings.'

Explanations like this are so irritating. It's just so ignorant and sexist. It's defining 'woman' as something unattached to the body which makes no actual sense. Not to mention I would like to be treated as more than a female body and that's what feminism has fought for, not for the denial of females existing. If you deny the existence of sex then you deny sexism.

There are two threads on this person now, but this is on the other one. DARVO, much?!
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=570921380088052&id=100339780479550

Peyton Rose’s Youtube channel is still called Benny Monteux Music, so I’m not outing anyone, for the record - Mumsnet Mods!

m.youtube.com/user/bennymonteuxmusic/videos

According to the internet, BM supported my friend’s boyfriend’s band last year, just on a single tour date. Small world.

When I looked at Peyton's Instagram it was interesting to see that they hadn't deleted pictures of themselves as a man with a beard. Another inconsistency between the hard-line we are expected to follow of not deadnaming, misgendering and crimes recorded as 'female', especially when this person only transitioned in January. It's ALMOST as if transitioning is being used by some to take the utter piss.

I think it’s a perfect storm situation for Peyton.

A combination of the specific threat/inticement to violence (down to the shopping centre where the proposed victims could be found), Joan McAlpine’s commentary, Green’s and Mimmymum’s attempted overreaches, plus Peyton has bigged Peytonself up as a musician under Peyton’s previous name and has a bit of a following/songs on iTunes, as well as being booked to headline Dundee Trans Pride in a fortnight...

www.newhellfireclub.co.uk/news/2016/9/26/benny-monteux-interview-and-review-thomas-neil

Nah, the winner of bad rebranding, I believe, PWC who briefly rebranded themselves as ‘Monday’ or ‘Mondays’.

Sadly whoever was in charge of the rebrand protest didn’t secure the URL, and someone got there before them and created a lovely website with donkeys flying around the screen. How we laughed.

Sorry, wrong thread.

Relevant though

Lesbians removed from Accenture inclusive trans event by 7 police officers
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3539529-Lesbians-removed-from-Accenture-inclusive-trans-event-by-7-police-officers

Well done Times

I remember when Accenture changed its name. It's a fucking stupid name.

It may be that they've charged Peyton because it is a specific threat to a specific women's organisation ForWOmen.Scot- and that Peyton lives in that same area. Rather than the random 'punch a terf' thing.

I'm afraid I don't know, just chanced upon this delightful tweet. Interesting in the last one there, the tactic we've seen before of employing women as human shields and now getting them to do the dirty work of potentially fighting other women for them.

Ooh - I love that sticker - where might one get hold of those?

I know I shouldn't feel sorry for them and its my female socialisation shining through. I do find it hard to understand why they are being prosecuted and not all these other people I see threatening violence against women every day though - not that Peyton should be let off, these people should be prosecuted too.

^“tongue-in-cheek comment” written in anger and retracted the use of “terf”

But didn't retract the "punch in throat"?

I expect Peyton feels rather hard done by that all the others got away with it. Peyton is being Made An Example Of. Rightly so, it's about time these threats to women were taken seriously.

I agree with this.

Still don't feel sorry for h** though.

The friend of Tara Wolf made very violence-inciting tweets. (Ada something?)

After Tara had assaulted Maria MacLachlan, Ada posted that "20 of us should get together and punch them all, then they'd stop organising" or words to that effect.

Chilling. And nothing ever came of that - so yes, I imagine Peyton does feel rather hard-done-by. So many have got away with violent threats in the past.

Perhaps it's indicative of the tide turning - people are outraged by the police investigations into Caro "misgendering" - and police are actually acting on the real violent threats towards women.

I expect Peyton feels rather hard done by that all the others got away with it. Peyton is being Made An Example Of. Rightly so, it's about time these threats to women were taken seriously.

No, I don't feel at all sorry for Peyton.

SimplyMonstrous From what I've seen of Peyton I get the same impression as you. There is no excuse for inciting violence and they should face the legal consequences, but it looks like they've been egged on by a community that normalises violent threats against women (and the handmaidens who turn a blind eye), and as someone newly transitioned looks like they were 'acting big' to try to fit in and be accepted. It's a shame that threats such as these haven't been taken seriously sooner, then perhaps this person might have realised what they were doing was unacceptable and not be in this position. Sad situation all round.

Just feel this is someone who also needs a lot of help.

Lots of people need help, inciting violence against women is not the way to get it.

I read Peyton’s Twitter account on Sunday morning when I first became aware of the throat punch comment. I live in Edinburgh, had attended the for women event where sisters uncut were protesting and tweeting aggressively outside, And i just found the whole thing very worrying.

Anyway, it was just a very sad series of tweets by somebody who was very obviously struggling. They said that they were lonely and isolated and asked people to seriously help them if they had some time, but there was very minimal response from friends. I’m not justifying the violent remarks. Just feel this is someone who also needs a lot of help 😪

Very pleased to see this. Seen the size of "Peyton"? Yet I'm sure we'll hear how "Peyton" is the most oppressed of all the oppressed people in the world...

I am satisfied to see someone getting pulled up and held accountable for their very public words. I hope more will follow so that people learnt that in the real world words matter.

And crying ‘no fair, I’m siiiiick’ doesn’t get you off the hook. If you are unwell then step away from the keyboard.