5 Transgender Women Who Have Fought Their Prisons From Behind Bars

You sound pretty gender critical to me OP! I have two family friends who are post-op transsexuals. They recognise that they have deeply held feelings about they way they wish they were, and have had treatments to try and get themselves closer to where they wish they were, crucially neither would ever describe themselves as women but transwomen. As one said a few years ago (after many years of therapy), in my heart I'm a woman but my head knows I'm not, I feel so wrong and desperately wish I was but if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. I call her she/her out of respect but no one is denying reality here.

The awful thing is that for many years she used women's loos without issue, of course people realised she was not female but it wasn't a problem. Now people like her are called "tru-scum" by activists and she is getting more aggro than before thanks to TRAs and their campaigns.

Princess that is the dilemma isn't it? TRAs have made it impossible for women to continue to 'allow' transwomen into female spaces by dint of just not speaking out.

We can't have that unspoken agreement anymore as TRAs are suing it to trample over so much more.

They, not women, have thrown transwomen to the wolves. Sadly they want to make us the wolves!

As littlebrowndog says, despite my having being ambivalent about 2 years ago I now just see a trasnwoman as a man with surgery... no more leeway, no more polite. I am TRA-fatigued and no longer care if I am called TERF, nasty, lacking in empathy etc.

And I have no idea how that is going to affect my friendships, like you and many other GC posters here, I have post op trans friends and other who now fall (unwillingly) under Stonewalls trans umbrella!.

Have gone past empathy
Be kind
No
And men shouldn’t be in women’s jails however delusional they are
Don’t care if they are post surgery
That just surgery

These men should show empathy to women and be kind

Well I’m not a tra, I’m undecided on my views around a few trans issues. I def disagree with some gender critical views but am pretty on the fence, so have been posting to see what others who are more involved think of this debate (and had some excellent and enlightening responses although not in this thread so much

PrincessPlummy Have you seen this thread?
Many who are new to the wider issues have said they found it very useful. Its well referenced:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Can you elaborate? Why do you think that?

I def disagree with some gender critical views

Can you elaborate?

Does it mention Dana Rvers, former Camp Trans activist who was instrumental in the shutting down a 40-year annual gathering of mostly lesbians at MichFest because TW simply could not abide that women might want to gather free of male presence?

Dana Rivers, after being fired from a teaching job for inappropriate conduct with a student, is now housed in a women’s jail awaiting trial for mass murder and arson, having allegedly killed an African-American lesbian couple and their teenage son and then allegedly setting the family’s house on fire in Oakland, California. Strangely, the death of a Black family in Oakland at the alleged hands of a white male warranted in a major Black city like Oakland warranted little press coverage.

You won’t find much about this murder of a lesbian family in the gay press either. It would seem that the death of lesbians being less important than the protection of an accused TW mass murderer, and that the death of Black mothers and their son are less important than the protection of a white male even amongst the Woke.

Funny that.

@PrincessPlummy, what parts of the article you linked are the elements that concern you, and why do they concern you?

PrincessPlummy I noticed two threads from you today where you opened by posting links to articles without comment.

It's generally considered poor form to expect others to debate whilst safely keeping one's own opinion private.

Here is information; discuss please.
This approach is likely to get short shrift from others.

So, when met with a possible screenshot fisher, posters are likely to respond with "you first, OP, it's your thread"

They all deserve to be safe behind bars but they don't extend the same compassion to women.

The hormones and hair removal... that's just pandering. And while it's contrasted against women who lose the right to dignity and safety - women are my concern.

although not in this thread so much

Your posts haven't proved very enlightening, either.

Brave and stunning Jessica Sunderland (army veteran) burglary and "other charges"

Anyway that's the year eight history homework complete. In conclusion, I don't really care that convicted criminals don't get exactly what they want, when they want it. I care more about their victims.

Cece deserves sympathy in my opinion, I'll give you that.

Anyhoooo OP what do YOU think?

Cece McDonald. Now this one is more decisive. They did kill someone, but looks like self defence. They certainly got a very short sentence given it's America.

Very different to the other criminals

OP, it's not that people are talking down to you, but people often come here and plop down links and fish for a reaction in order to goad posters into giving sound bites that can be tweeted widely and used against GC women.

I'm not for a second suggesting that you're doing this, but that's the reasoning behind some of the replies you've had.

TRAs/MRAs are a pesky bunch, sometimes.

What are the "concerning elements" that concern you, @PrincessPlummy?

*loving

Brave and stunning Strawberry Hampton (living these names) just got 10 years for burglary. Seems tame compared to the first two thugs.

Brave and stunning Ashley Diamond, in for burglary, theft and battery. Nice.

So brave and stunning Jessica Hicklin is a murderer.

She now likes to remove body hair and hug dogs
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5378925/Missouri-provide-hormone-therapy-transgender-killer.html