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Julia Hartley-Brewer and India Willoughby

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NellieEllie · 20/03/2019 13:58

mobile.twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1108304796283518977

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Knicknackpaddyflak · 20/03/2019 15:42

Sigh.

Her doctor's records will have a note that this is a man, with male biology, who needs medical treatment as a man (so as not to kill him) and possibly some additional specialist awareness and knowledge of hormone treatment/surgery specific for transwomen. And that this man prefers to be spoken to as if they are a woman. Polite fiction, respecting choice of identity. Not actually taken to the point of delusional lying.

PrincessPlummy · 20/03/2019 15:37

This absolute corker says all at needs to be said about IW
www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/13/india-willoughbys-not-men-response-feminist-activist-demonstrates-misogyny/

theOtherPamAyres · 20/03/2019 15:36

Crikey. That is the first time that I've ever seen a broadcast (there's a two minute clip at Talk Radio), in which the interviewer asserts that a transwoman is not and never can be a woman.

Most people skirt round the bald truth for fear of prosecution, but not JHB. She was challenging, combatative and not taking any hurty feelings crap.

IW's attempt to rebut the statement - saying that she had the paperwork to show that she was a woman - cut no ice with our Julia.

She would NOT have it. 'So what? You're a transwoman, not a woman'.

It was very similar to her stance against being called CIS. And IW's response of 'Oh yes I am' sounded ridiclous.

Popchyk · 20/03/2019 15:26

Anyone remember last year when JHB had IW on? Justine was there.

JHB says to IW before the show: "So, tell me, what is it that you guys actually want?"

IW took much offence.

misscockerspaniel · 20/03/2019 15:25

I doubt her doctors records say she is male

May be not but their DNA will do!

PenguindreamsofDraco · 20/03/2019 15:18

What ever, zanahoria?

zanahoria · 20/03/2019 15:16

I doubt her doctors records say she is male

Knicknackpaddyflak · 20/03/2019 15:15

Julia is currently the only woman saying it straight out, clearly, modelling a woman refusing to accept the male enforced language oppression.

She's absolutely right. India is a transwoman. That's great. But India is not a woman. To insist people call India that is forcing them to lie under threat of punishment. (Whether that is India kicking off, or the arrival of the West Yorkshire Police brandishing crucifixes.)

ThePurportedDoctoress · 20/03/2019 15:11

IW (and others) should take a moment to reflect on why we have reached a point where a radio presenter has to tell them that they are not a woman.
Julia Hartley-Brewer is not saying it to be unkind. I don't particularly like her, but I'm so glad a woman in the public eye is calling out this bullshit.

And does IW really think that they are invited to give their opinion 'as a woman'? No, they are asked to appear because they are a transwoman.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 20/03/2019 15:09

I'm afraid it is bobbin,

Yuck.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 20/03/2019 14:39

Not that it matters because IW is not female anyways but India Willoughby is on record as saying that IW doesn't have a Gender Recognition Certificate.

I'd forgotten that gem Popchyk. Whoops India.

Popchyk · 20/03/2019 14:24

Of course it is, Bobbin.

Same with the Nuremberg rally stuff to refer to Mumsnet.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 20/03/2019 14:19

A Star of David?! Please tell me that isn't a Third Reich-style oppression reference for...this?

EweSurname · 20/03/2019 14:17

You don't need a GRC to change your documents (apart from birth certificate) to female though

MhairiV · 20/03/2019 14:16

And that legal fiction thing raises its head once again.

GarthFunkel · 20/03/2019 14:14

God I hate finding myself agreeing with JHB and the DM. And yet I have agreed with both already today.

Popchyk · 20/03/2019 14:12

It is this constant shifting of parameters and definitions that get people irritated.

Not that it matters because IW is not female anyways but India Willoughby is on record as saying that IW doesn't have a Gender Recognition Certificate.

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/991233287824736256

"I don’t have a Gender Recognition Certificate as a point of principle. Never applied. I refuse to walk around with a Star of David in my bag".