Lisa Littman’s paper on ROGD published

Eccles/Grumpygran I’ve only read the odd article in Quillette too - I thought of it as free speechy and aiming to be iconoclastic. Mind you, I’ve had to change a lot of my reading recently so hey ho.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quillette

I noticed in there a guardian writer characterised it as "a website obsessed with the alleged war on free speech on campus" ... which maybe tells you more about the guardian than Quillette.

I first came across it because Debbie Hayton had a piece on it.

There is a good interview with Lisa Littman in Quillette
I saw the link on Twitter a couple of days ago.There were several TRAs in the thread claiming that since Quillette is a RW hate-site (one of their editors had apparently said something bigoted a couple of years ago), anyone getting published by them was also a bigot.
Typical attack-the-messenger behaviour from transcultists who can't refute any of the arguments.
PS: I have no idea what Quillette's political leanings are; I only read the interview.

“We recognize that issues with the study should have been addressed prior to publication. We have and will learn from the case, and since have completed an internal restructure so that we can better support our Editorial Board”

It’s quite astonishing to see something like this. The power and influence of trans gender rights activists over science is like no other minority group, ever.

Astonishingly sexist and poorly designed studies are published in psych journals all the time. Not just “women’s brains are different”. Like I saw on reddit awhile back a published “study” which basically asked women whether they found pictures of fit men more attractive (answer? Duh).

So far, stupid, but fine. But Then the discussion was entirely about how alpha males get more sex because Biology. Didn’t consider whether nurture could possibly influence women’s reported preferences on a survey. Nope. The discussion was entirely “wimminz like buff guys so poor beta males wah Wah”

Yet somehow, entire editorial boards of journals do not get rearranged in order to respond to such nonsense, anti feminist studies. If only we could figure out why... hmmm...

There are a lot of trans activists who are posting as though they have been vindicated

Bless them not noticing it’s a ‘sorry not sorry’ all dressed up in correction clothing.

who was the mp who called for this to be investigated? She needs to see it too.

I think I will send the link to all the MPs I've spoken to about this

Some other institution will snap her up.

She's brilliant.

Brilliant. Let’s hope our government is paying attention, seeing as they are supposed to be looking into ROGD right now.

Read this

Such a. Good report talking a lot about social contagion
And the rush towards medication by doctors

And children being coached what to say
Ta Lisa
So awful that you lost your job for doing this

Brava Dr Littman!

I can’t believe what she went through. Well done Dr Littman!

Excellent news. Thank you, @LisaLittman1, for standing by your research.

It is simply appalling that she lost her job due to undertaking research.
The world will look back on this era in despair, the shutting down of free speech and critical thinking.

There is a good interview with Lisa Littman in Quillette:
quillette.com/2019/03/19/an-interview-with-lisa-littman-who-coined-the-term-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria/

She comes across so well - she explains that she’s always been interested in public health and that Caring about the health and well-being of individuals and families has been one of the guiding principles of my professional and personal life.

She also lost her job as a result of her research as her contract was not renewed because she was not seen to be gender affirming. She is clear that transition helps many people but says that we need to be better at deciding when it is not the answer.

Oh this is fantastic news. Well done Dr Littman, excellent "corrections"

This thread is pure gold.

lol at how much of that correction consists of patiently explaining how research works to a bunch of fuckwits who didn't understand what a descriptive study is.

The eyerolling throughout the whole document is almost audible. I enjoyed the part where she took seriously the TRA claim that parents may not have noticed signs of dysphoria in childhood, assumed a 100% underreporting rate from oblivious parents, and came up with an all-new estimate based on those assumptions that 97.6% of the adolescents in question did not have gender dysphoria as children.

Oh, and the part where she responds the the allegation that this was a survey of unsupportive parents by listing ways in which parents can provide support for children and finishes off the list with "support for their critical thinking skills."

And this! The trajectories for adolescent-onset gender dysphoria are not well understood and additional research is desperately needed. Additional research is of course exactly what TRAs are trying to prevent.

Excellent "correction." I enjoyed it very much.

"Sixty three per cent reported at least one mental health or neuro-developmental disorder in their child."

That's another very significant figure. One of the things I can't get my head around is the complete unwillingness to engage with the idea that it's linked to mental health or other neurodevelopmental issues. Why isn't that one of the first considerations given the obvious psychological and psychiatric overlaps? We know so much more about how to treat them than we do about gender identity issues. They're often treatable. It's just crazy.

Nothing demonstrates better that transactivists seem to be allergic to the scientific method than their complete contempt towards research like Dr Littman's into the potential causes of gender dysphoria in adolescents and young people.

If transgenderism is based in reality, then research will only further their cause, because there will be benchmarks for indicators, stages, interventions and outcomes.

Research can only be beneficial to that small minority of the population who experience genuine distress because of their bodily dysphoria.

Research will also help children and young people experiencing gender dysphoria, by helping us understand the sources and interventions which will best help them to grow into healthy adults with whole bodies.

Research won’t harm this population nor will it negate their lived experience. People suffering mental illness don’t argue that research negates their existence - they participate and hope that understanding might lead to effective treatments.

On the other hand, if your identity politics is made up of a mixture of fetish, misogyny and bullshit, you have everything to fear from the spotlight of intellectual enquiry.

Well done, Lisa Littman!